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前乌克兰大使玛丽·约瓦诺维奇在第二天弹劾听证会上的证词五大亮点

2019-11-16 11:04   美国新闻网   - 

 

美国前驻乌克兰大使玛丽·约瓦诺维奇周五作证数小时,称作为众议院民主党正在进行的弹劾调查的一部分,唐纳德·特朗普总统将解除她的职务并对她进行攻击。

约瓦诺维奇出席了众议院情报委员会的公开听证会,是本周就乌克兰争议向国会作证的第三名证人。周三,外交官威廉·泰勒和国务院官员乔治·肯特发表了对总统不利的谴责性证词。

约瓦诺维奇被几任不同总统任命为大使,包括共和党和民主党,并于2016年8月开始在乌克兰任职。2019年5月,她突然被撤职,尽管她说,她的老板向她保证她没有做错什么。

她被解雇的原因已经成为众议院调查总统对乌克兰行为的主要焦点。约瓦诺维奇告诉国会,特朗普和他的私人律师鲁迪·朱利安尼(Rudy Giuliani)自2018年以来一直参与针对她的诽谤运动,因为她拒绝让朱利安尼利用美国大使馆获取前副总统乔·拜登的丑闻。

约瓦诺维奇周五还作证说,在她数十年的联邦政府生涯中,她曾见过任何总统“无故”罢免大使,理由是国务院知道这是假的。

她补充说,解雇她是一件“可怕”的事情,也不是她想象的结束长期外交生涯的方式。

“我的意思是,在为我们国家服务了33年之后,这太可怕了。这不是我希望我的职业生涯结束的方式,”她说。

以下是听证会上的一些亮点:

篡改证人?特朗普在弹劾听证会期间在推特上攻击约瓦诺维奇

 

“玛丽·约瓦诺维奇走到哪里都变坏了。她从索马里开始,进展如何?然后快进到乌克兰,在那里,乌克兰新总统在我和他的第二个电话中对她说了不愉快的话。特朗普在推特上写道:“任命大使是美国总统的绝对权利。

值得注意的是,特朗普没有攻击周三作证的两个人。

众议院情报委员会主席亚当·希夫在听证会上宣读了这条推文,并辩称总统的攻击相当于证人恐吓。该委员会的另一名民主党代表吉姆·希姆斯(Jim Himes)同意,这是一个“明显篡改证人”的例子,可以构成弹劾总统条款的基础。

作为对特朗普推特的回应,约瓦诺维奇告诉委员会:“这非常令人生畏。”

约瓦诺维奇被特朗普的轻蔑言论“摧毁”

特朗普在7月25日与乌克兰总统沃洛季米尔·泽伦斯基的电话中表示,约瓦诺维奇是“坏消息”,将“经历一些事情”约瓦诺维奇周五告诉立法者,他的话“听起来像是一种威胁”,当她发现这些话时,引起了身体上的反应。

“颜色从我脸上消失了,”她在作证时说。“即使是现在,我还是有点说不出话来....我震惊和崩溃的是,我会以这种方式出现在两位国家元首之间的电话中。”

福克斯新闻主持人克里斯·华莱士在作证时评论说,如果公众没有被约瓦诺维奇的叙述所感动,他们就“没有脉搏”他还称赞这位前大使给所谓的乌克兰丑闻一个“人脸”

“国务院的危机”:约瓦诺维奇似乎在抨击迈克·庞贝

约瓦诺维奇没有掩饰她对国务院领导人的失望,他们没有保护她免受总统的攻击。她认为这开创了一个危险的先例,降低了外交部的诚信。

她周五表示:“在闭门作证时,我对过去几年外交服务的退化以及国务院领导层未能回击表示严重关切,因为外国和腐败利益显然劫持了我们的乌克兰政策。”。“我仍然感到失望的是,该部门的领导层和其他人拒绝承认对我和其他人的攻击是危险的错误。”

她补充说,总统及其盟友对美国官员的攻击“导致了国务院的危机,因为政策进程明显瓦解,领导层空缺无人填补,高级和中级官员思考着不确定的未来,并向大门走去。”

虽然她没有提到庞贝的名字,但她的话强烈谴责了国务卿对该机构的监管。

 

marie yovanovitch testimony highlights trump ukraine impeachment

前美国驻乌克兰大使玛丽·约瓦诺维奇在11月15日众议院情报委员会弹劾调查听证会上休息后返回。泳池/法新社通过盖蒂图像/约书亚罗伯茨

 

共和党人将约瓦诺维奇的解雇视为“就业分歧”

众议院情报委员会的共和党成员为特朗普的行为辩护,指出总统有权任命他认为合适的大使。他们还试图淡化约瓦诺维奇作为证人的身份,因为在臭名昭著的7月25日电话之前,她被解除了在乌克兰的职务。

“我不太清楚大使今天在这里做什么,”代表德文·努恩斯说,他是该小组的主要共和党人。他补充说,这是“与政府在就业问题上的分歧”,而且“更适合外交事务委员会的人力资源小组委员会”

后来,在与共和党众议员布拉德·温斯特鲁普的交流中,约瓦诺维奇承认总统有权选择他的大使。

“我不反对总统有权在任何时候撤回大使。我确实想知道为什么有必要诽谤我的名誉,”她说。

约瓦诺维奇在一次反腐败活动中被撤职

约瓦诺维奇透露,在纪念一名反腐败活动家的活动中,她被解除了驻乌克兰大使的职务。

“我们认为为她和其他在乌克兰打击腐败的人伸张正义非常重要,”她说。

约瓦诺维奇解释说,在活动期间,她接到了美国国务院外事办公室主任卡罗尔·佩雷斯(Carol Perez)的电话,后者警告她担任大使有问题。五个小时后,佩雷斯再次打电话给她,告诉她“需要马上来上下一班飞机”

 

FIVE HIGHLIGHTS FROM FORMER UKRAINE AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH'S TESTIMONY AT DAY 2 IMPEACHMENT HEARING

Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified for hours on Friday about being removed from her post and attacks on her from President Donald Trump as part of the House Democrats' ongoing impeachment inquiry.

Yovanovitch appeared before the House Intelligence Committee for a public hearing and was the third witness to testify to Congress this week about the Ukraine controversy. On Wednesday, diplomat William Taylor and State Department official George Kent gave damning testimony against the president.

Yovanovitch was appointed ambassador under several different presidents, both Republican and Democrat, and began serving in Ukraine in August 2016. In May 2019, she was abruptly removed from her post even though, she says, her bosses assured her she'd done nothing wrong.

The reasoning behind her dismissal has become a major focus of the House investigation of the president's conduct toward Ukraine. Yovanovitch told Congress that Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani had been engaged in a smear campaign against her since 2018 because she refused to let Giuliani use the U.S. Embassy in his attempts to obtain dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden.

Yovanovitch also testified on Friday that she had ever seen any president remove an ambassador "without cause, based on allegations that the State Department knew to be false" during her decades-long career in the federal government.

She added that her dismissal was a "terrible" thing to experience and was not the way she envisioned ending her long career in the foreign service.

"I mean, after 33 years of service to our country, it was terrible. It's not the way I wanted my career to end," she said.

Here are some of the top highlights from the hearing:

Witness tampering? Trump attacks Yovanovitch on Twitter during impeachment hearing

"Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President's absolute right to appoint ambassadors," Trump tweeted.

Notably, Trump did not attack the two men who testified on Wednesday.

House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff read out the tweet in the hearing and argued that the president's attacks could amount to witness intimidation. Representative Jim Himes, another Democrat on the committee, agreed that it was an instance of "clear witness tampering" that could form the basis of an article of impeachment against the president.

In response to Trump's tweets, Yovanovitch told the committee: "It's very intimidating."

Yovanovitch 'devastated' by Trump's disparaging comments

During his July 25 phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy, Trump said Yovanovitch was "bad news" and would be "going through some things." Yovanovitch told lawmakers on Friday that his remarks "sounded like a threat" and prompted a physical reaction when she found out about them.

"The color drained from my face," she said during her testimony. "Even now, words kind of fail me.... I was shocked and devastated that I would feature in a phone call between two heads of state in such a manner."

During her testimony, Fox News host Chris Wallace commented that if the public wasn't moved by Yovanovitch's account, they have "no pulse." He also praised the former ambassador for giving the alleged Ukraine scandal a "human face."

'Crisis in the State Department': Yovanovitch appears to swipe at Mike Pompeo

Yovanovitch did not hide her disappointment in State Department leaders who didn't defend her from the president's attacks. She argued that it sets a dangerous precedent and devalues the integrity of the department's foreign service.

"At the closed deposition, I expressed grave concerns about the degradation of the foreign service over the past few years and the failure of State Department leadership to push back as foreign and corrupt interests apparently hijacked our Ukraine policy," she said on Friday. "I remain disappointed that the department's leadership and others have declined to acknowledge that the attacks against me and others are dangerously wrong."

She added that the attacks on U.S. officials from the president and his allies are "leading to a crisis in the State Department, as the policy process is visibly unraveling, leadership vacancies go unfilled, and senior and midlevel officers ponder an uncertain future and head for the doors."

While she didn't mention Pompeo by name, her words were a strong rebuke of how the secretary of state has overseen the agency.

 

marie yovanovitch testimony highlights trump ukraine impeachment

Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch returns from a break during the House Intelligence Committee's impeachment inquiry hearing on November 15.POOL/AFP VIA GETTY IMAGES/JOSHUA ROBERTS

 

Republicans treat Yovanovitch's dismissal as 'employment disagreement'

Republican members of the House Intelligence Committee defended Trump's actions by pointing to the president's authority to appoint ambassadors as he sees fit. They also tried to downplay Yovanovitch as a witness because she was dismissed from her position in Ukraine before the infamous July 25 phone call.

"I'm not exactly sure what the ambassador is doing here today," said Representative Devin Nunes, the lead Republican on the panel. He added that this was an "employment disagreement with the administration" and that it was "more appropriate for the subcommittee on human resources at the Foreign Affairs Committee."

Later, during an exchange with GOP Representative Brad Wenstrup, Yovanovitch acknowledged that the president has the right to select his ambassadors.

"I don't disagree that the president has the right to withdraw an ambassador at any time. I do wonder why it's necessary to smear my reputation falsely," she said.

Yovanovitch was removed from her position in the middle of an anti-corruption event

Yovanovitch revealed that she was recalled from her post as ambassador to Ukraine while in the middle of an event honoring an anti-corruption activist.

"We thought it was important that justice be done, for her and for others who fight corruption in Ukraine," she said.

Yovanovitch explained that during the event she received a call from Carol Perez, the director general of the State Department's foreign service, who warned her that there were problems with her serving as ambassador. Five hours later, Perez called again and told her she "needed to come immediately and get on the next plane."

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