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金辛格说,特朗普在1月6日委员会之前现场作证需要“谈判”

2022-10-17 09:07  -ABC   - 

如果前总统唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)提出现场作证,众议院1月6日调查去年国会大厦骚乱的委员会需要与他谈判作为对陪审团传票的回应众议员亚当·金辛格周日说。

“我认为这将是一场谈判,”金辛格说。该委员会的一名成员告诉美国广播公司“本周”节目主持人乔治·斯特凡诺普洛斯。“只有当我们确定总统是否已经尝试过的时候,我才会回答这个问题来和我们进行现场直播。"

“他明确表示他没有什么要隐瞒的,这是他说的。所以他应该在我们要求他来的那天来。如果他继续推下去,我们会想出下一步该怎么做,”金辛格说。

他回避了斯特凡诺普洛斯关于特朗普如果不遵守传票是否应该被判刑事藐视的问题。

"如果总统拒绝,你认为司法部应该以藐视法庭罪逮捕他吗?"斯特凡诺普洛斯问道。

“如果我们必须到达那里,那是一座我们必须跨越的桥,”金辛格说,并补充道,“我们在这里有点时间限制。在我们结束调查的同时,我们也在寻找新的线索和事实。”

特朗普尚未表示他是否会遵守委员会的传票,但确实向该委员会发送了一份14页的长篇报告,重申了他的选举欺诈阴谋。

金辛格在“本周”节目中说:“我们在美国人民面前,而不是在闭门造车的情况下,做出了开始传唤前总统的决定。”“法律要求他进来。他可以信口开河,想怎么推就怎么推。”

金辛格发表上述评论之前,众议院小组周四投票传唤特朗普——这是一位前总统罕见但并非闻所未闻的要求——委员会对2021年1月6日致命叛乱的调查进入最后几个月。

委员会成员发出传票是为了直接听取特朗普关于他在1月6日做了什么和没做什么,以及他做了什么和不知道什么。

根据特朗普的前助手和其他人的说法,以前的委员会听证会详细描述了他如何知道他的计划没有法律依据来继续掌权,并意识到他对2020年选举欺诈的指控是毫无根据的,但继续推动他的支持者向国会大厦游行-即使他知道其中一些人是武装的。

特朗普曾表示,调查是出于政治动机,他没有做错任何事。

该委员会预计不会延续到下一届国会,它正在制定其最后报告,其中将包括如何制止另一场叛乱并确保选举在州和联邦一级得到认证的立法建议。

周日,Stephanopoulos向Kinzinger施压,询问委员会是否将进行刑事移交,这将是一个值得注意的建议,但并不要求对特朗普的行为展开调查。金辛格指出,政府已经在进行调查。

“这不是命令,但我认为...金辛格说:“我们肯定会解决这个问题,当我们做出决定时,我们会有更多的信息。”。

“司法部似乎在非常努力地追查这件事,”他说。

被问到拒绝选举变得如此普遍所带来的“威胁”在共和党方面,尽管缺乏证据,但将于1月辞去共和党议员职务的金辛格说,“我认为这不会自然而然地消失。”

公众也有力量反击,他说:“这将需要美国人民真正站起来,做出真相很重要的决定。”

Trump testifying live before Jan. 6 committee would require 'negotiation,' Kinzinger says

The House Jan. 6 committee investigating last year's Capitol riot would need to negotiate with former President Donald Trump if he were to offer to testify livein response to the panel's subpoena, Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Sunday.

"I think that's going to be a negotiation," Kinzinger, R-Ill., a member of the committee, told ABC "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos. "I'll only address that when we know for sure whether or not the president has triedto push to come in and talk to us live."

"He's made it clear he has nothing to hide, [that's] what he said. So he should come in on the day we asked him to come in. If he pushes off beyond that, we'll figure out what to do next," Kinzinger said.

He dodged Stephanopoulos' question on whether Trump should be held in criminal contempt if he does not comply with the subpoena.

"Do you believe that the Justice Department, if the president refuses, should hold him in criminal contempt?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"That's a bridge we cross if we have to get there," Kinzinger said, adding, "We're at a bit of a time limit here. And as we're wrapping up the investigation, we're also pursuing new leads and facts."

Trump has not yet said if he will comply with the committee subpoena but did send the panel a 14-page screed reiterating his election fraud conspiracies.

"We made a decision in front of the American people, not behind closed doors, to begin the process of subpoenaing the former president," Kinzinger said on "This Week." "He's required by law to come in. And he can ramble and push back all he wants."

Kinzinger's comments come after the House panel on Thursday voted to subpoena Trump -- a rare but not unheard of demand of a former president -- as the committee enters the final months of its investigation into the deadly insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021.

Committee members have cast the subpoena as an effort to hear directly from Trump on what he did and did not do and what he did and did not know regarding Jan. 6.

Previous committee hearings have detailed how, according to Trump's former aides and others, he knew there was no legal basis for his scheme to stay in power and was aware his claims of election fraud in 2020 were baseless but continued to push his supporters to march to the Capitol -- even as he knew some of them were armed.

Trump has said the investigation is politically motivated and that he did nothing wrong.

The committee, which is not expected to continue into the next Congress, is in the process of formulating its final report, which will include legislative recommendations on how to stop another insurrection and ensure elections are certified at the state and federal levels.

On Sunday, Stephanopoulos pressed Kinzinger on if the committee will be making a criminal referral, which would be a notable recommendation but is not required to open a probe of Trump's conduct. Kinzinger noted that the government is already investigating.

"It's not a mandate, but I think ... we're certainly going to address that issue, and we'll have more to come on that when we make that decision," Kinzinger said.

"The Justice Department appears to be pursuing this pretty hard," he said.

Asked aboutthe "threat" from how widespread election denial has becomein the Republican Party, despite the lack of evidence, Kinzinger, who is stepping down as a Republican lawmaker in January, said, "I don't think this is just going to go away organically."

The public had power to push back as well, he said: "This is going to take the American people really standing up and making the decision that truth matters."

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