唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)周一表示，他太“忙”了，想确保在遵从联邦政府的一再要求——最终是大陪审团的传票——之前，他取回了自己的个人物品他归还了随身携带机密文件当他离开白宫时。
在一次冗长的采访中和福克斯新闻频道的布雷特·拜尔该节目于周二继续播出，特朗普坚定地为这一行为辩护现在他正处于史无前例的37项联邦指控的中心。
男性上周被判无罪暂定于今年晚些时候进行审判。
他是第一位面临联邦刑事指控的前总统。
特朗普被控31项故意保留国防信息罪;一项串谋妨碍司法公正罪;一项扣留文件或记录的罪名;一项腐败地隐藏文件或记录的指控;一项在联邦调查中隐藏文件的指控;一项阴谋隐瞒罪;以及一项作出虚假陈述的罪名。
虽然检察官指控这位前总统非法持有国防信息，甚至在收到传票后也拒绝归还，违反了间谍法，特朗普在对拜尔的各种回答中对针对他的案件进行了反击。
与此同时，他似乎也承认，离开白宫的打包过程是随意的，他后来拒绝按照政府的要求尽快将所有东西交给政府。
"你为什么会有这份非常敏感的国家安全防卫文件?"拜尔话题一转问道。
“所以，和其他总统一样，我把东西拿出来，”特朗普说。“就我而言，我很快就把它取出来了。但是人们收拾好了，我们就走了。我有衣服在里面，我有各种各样的个人物品。”
“我必须检查那些箱子，”他说。“我把个人的东西拿出来。”
美国前总统唐纳德·特朗普准备于2023年6月13日在新泽西州贝德明斯特的特朗普国家高尔夫俱乐部发表演讲
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特朗普还坚称“我有权利拥有那些盒子”并错误地说总统记录法案允许他在离任时带走政府记录。(《总统记录法案》明确排除了官方机构记录。检察官在特朗普的起诉书中写道，他保留了美国情报机构的文件。)
在采访中，拜尔提到了检察官所说的从特朗普那里获得的敏感记录，包括关于美国军事和核能力、外国对恐怖主义的支持以及各种外国军队的信息。
“为什么你当上总统后还想保留那些文件?”拜尔问。
“我没说我愿意，”特朗普说。
对他的起诉书描述了他和助手如何打包装有数百份机密文件的箱子离开白宫，以及回到特朗普在佛罗里达州的Mar-a-Lago住所后，这些箱子如何在财产周围的房间之间转移，包括其他人可以进入的区域。
起诉书称，特朗普的一名助手发现，一些箱子掉到了一个储藏室里，里面的东西洒了一地。根据起诉书，这些文件中有一份标有“秘密”的文件。
在福克斯新闻频道的采访中，当拜尔说国家档案馆曾试图让特朗普归还他拿走的东西时，特朗普辩称这是他试图做的事情——检察官对此提出质疑。
起诉书称，从2021年5月开始，档案馆“一再要求”特朗普按照法律要求，交出他上任后带走的任何总统记录——否则，档案馆警告说，他们会将此事“提交”给司法部。
根据起诉书，2022年1月，档案馆收到了特朗普寄给他们的15个箱子，发现其中14个箱子总共有大约200份机密文件。档案馆将此提交给DOJ。
根据起诉书，联邦调查局于2022年3月开始调查，2022年5月，联邦大陪审团发出传票，以迫使特朗普交出他不当拥有的所有机密记录，起诉书还指出，特朗普的律师随后向政府提供了一些更多的机密文件，但不是所有文件。联邦调查局获得了一份由法官批准的搜查令，于2022年8月搜查了Mar-a-Lago，在那里他们发现了另外102份带有分类标记的文件。
在周一的福克斯新闻频道会议上，拜尔提到了其中的一些时间线。
“他们问，”拜尔告诉特朗普这些档案。
“我们在说话。...我给了他们一些，”特朗普说。
拜尔注意到了联邦大陪审团的传票。
“那为什么不直接交出来呢?”拜尔问。
“因为我有箱子。我想检查一下箱子，把我所有的私人物品都拿出来。我还不想把它交给(档案馆)，”特朗普说。“我很忙，你已经看到了。我一直非常非常忙。”
“在我把箱子送过去之前，我必须把我所有的东西都拿出来，”他说。"这些箱子里散布着各种各样的东西，高尔夫球衫、衣服、裤子、鞋子。"
拜尔问这些材料是否包括对伊朗的潜在攻击计划。
“据我所知没有，”特朗普说，他说他不再拥有任何机密文件。
检察官在起诉书中写道，2021年，特朗普据称被录下炫耀一份“秘密”政府文件，他指出这份文件仍然是机密的。美国广播公司新闻报道说，据消息人士透露，特朗普称这份文件是关于攻击伊朗的。
在福克斯新闻频道问题上，当拜尔提起这段录音时，川普反驳了他的说法，他说，“那不是一份文件，好吗?”相反，他说他可能在录音中指的是新闻剪辑。
特朗普还坚称他已经和他一起解密“一切”尽管他在总统任期结束前没有提供任何证据，但他以前曾声称过。
他还一再表示，尽管其他前办公室官员在离任时保留了机密记录，包括现任总统乔·拜登和前副总统迈克·彭斯，但他还是被单独挑了出来，这两人都表示，他们在发现机密文件后立即归还了这些文件——这与特朗普不同。
司法部进行了调查，但没有追究对彭斯的指控。一名特别检察官一直在调查拜登离任时对机密记录的处理。他承诺合作，并表示希望此事“尽快解决”
“当你看到这个，其他总统，当他们离开时，他们带走了文件，”特朗普告诉拜尔。
“他们从来没有这样对待过总统，”他在采访的另一个地方说。
当被问及是否“担心”联邦案件时，特朗普说，“根据法律?零。”
Trump says he was too 'busy' to quickly return classified docs, wanted to get 'personal things'
Donald Trump on Monday suggested he had been too "busy" and wanted to be sure he'd retrieved his personal belongings before complying with the federal government's repeated demands -- and, eventually, a grand jury's subpoena -- thathe return classified documents he took with himwhen he left the White House.
In a lengthy interviewwith Fox News' Bret Baier, which continued to air on Tuesday,Trump staunchly defended the conductnow at the center of an unprecedented, 37-count federal indictment against him.
Hepleaded not guilty last weekand is tentatively set to go to trial later this year.
He is the first former president to ever face federal criminal charges.
Trump is accused of 31 counts of willful retention of national defense information; one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice; one count of withholding a document or record; one count of corruptly concealing a document or record; one count of concealing a document in a federal investigation; one count of scheming to conceal; and one count of making false statements and representations.
While prosecutors allege the former president illegally held onto national defense information and refused to give it back even after a subpoena,in violation of the Espionage Act, Trump pushed back on the case against him in various answers to Baier.
At the same time, he also appeared to acknowledge that the packing process to leave the White House had been haphazard and that he later resisted turning over everything to the government as quickly as they wanted.
"Why did you have this very sensitive national security defense documents?" Baier asked at one point.
"So, like every other president, I take things out," Trump said. "And, in my case, I took it out pretty much in a hurry. But people packed it up, and we left. And I had clothing in there, I had all sorts of personal items."
"I have to go through those boxes," he said. "I take out personal things."
Trump also insisted"I have every right to have those boxes"and wrongly said the Presidential Records Act gave him permission to take the government records with him when he left office. (The Presidential Records Act specifically excludes official agency records. Prosecutors wrote in Trump's indictment that he kept documents from U.S. intelligence agencies.)
At one point in the interview, Baier referenced the sensitive records that prosecutors say were recovered from Trump, including those about America's military and nuclear capabilities, a foreign country's support of terrorism and information on various foreign militaries.
"Why do you want to hold on to those documents after you're president?" Baier asked.
"I don't say I do," Trump said.
The indictment against him describes how he and aides packed boxes to leave the White House that contained hundreds of classified documents -- and, back at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, how those same boxes were then carted from room to room around the property, including in areas accessible to others.
At one point, the indictment states, a Trump aide found that some of the boxes had fallen in a storage room, spilling their contents across the floor. Among the papers was a document marked "secret," according to the indictment.
In the Fox News interview, when Baier said the National Archives had sought for Trump to return what he took, Trump contended that was what he was trying to do -- which prosecutors dispute.
The indictment states that starting in May 2021, the archives "repeatedly demanded" that Trump hand back over any presidential records he took with him after office, as required by law -- otherwise, the archives warned, they would "refer the matter" to the Department of Justice.
In January 2022, the archives received 15 boxes that Trump sent them, according to the indictment, and found that 14 of the boxes had, in total, about 200 classified documents. The archives referred this to the DOJ.
In March 2022, the FBI began investigating and in May 2022 a federal grand jury issued a subpoena in order to compel Trump to turn over all the classified records he inappropriately had, according to the indictment, which also states that Trump's attorneys then provided some more classified documents to the government but not all of them. The FBI obtained a search warrant, approved by a judge, to search Mar-a-Lago in August 2022 where they found another 102 documents with classification markings.
On Fox News on Monday, Baier referenced some of this timeline.
"They asked," Baier told Trump of the archives.
"We were talking. ... And I gave them some," Trump said.
Baier noted the federal grand jury's subpoena.
"Why not just hand them over then?" Baier asked.
"Because I had boxes. I want to go through the boxes and get all my personal things out. I don't want to hand that over to [the archives] yet," Trump said. "And I was very busy, as you have sort of seen. I have been very, very busy."
"Before I send boxes over, I have to take all of my things out," he said. "These boxes were interspersed with all sorts of things, golf shirts, clothing, pants, shoes."
Baier asked if those materials included a potential attack plan on Iran.
"Not that I know of," Trump said, and he said he no longer has any classified documents in his possession.
Prosecutors wrote in the indictment that in 2021 Trump was allegedly recorded showing off a "secret" government document that he noted was still classified. ABC Newshas reported that, according to sources, Trump said the document was about attacking Iran.
On Fox News, Trump disputed the account of the recording when Baier raised it, saying, "It wasn't a document, OK?" Instead, he said he might have been referring in the recording to news clips.
Trump also maintained that he haddeclassified "everything" with him, which he has claimed before, though he has provided no evidence of doing so before his presidency ended.
He also repeatedly said he was being singled out despite other former office-holders keeping classified records while out of office, including current President Joe Biden and former Vice President Mike Pence, both of whom said they promptly returned classified documents after discovering them -- unlike Trump.
The Department of Justice investigated but did not pursue charges against Pence. A special prosecutor has been examining Biden's handling of classified records while out of office. He has pledged to cooperate and said he wants the matter "resolved quickly."
"When you look at this, other presidents, when they leave, they take the papers," Trump told Baier.
"They have never treated a president like this," he said at another point in the interview.
Asked if he was "worried" about the federal case, Trump said, "Based on the law? Zero."
