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特雷弗讲述了他是如何在俄罗斯监狱中熬过近3年的

2022-05-23 14:35  -ABC   - 

今年2月乌克兰战争爆发时,特雷弗·里德他说他相信这意味着他可能永远不会回家了。

这位美国前海军陆战队员当时已经被囚禁在俄罗斯在被以莫须有的罪名定罪后被扣为人质近三年。在985天的时间里,里德被关押在俄罗斯的一系列监狱中,每天23小时被关在小如壁橱的隔离牢房中,被安置在精神病病房,并被送往一个强迫劳动营,他形容这看起来和感觉起来像是“中世纪”

但在两个月内,里德回到了美国的家中,作为拜登政府和克里姆林宫达成的囚犯交换协议的一部分,他于4月27日获释。里德以康斯坦丁·雅罗申科为交换条件获得了自由,康斯坦丁·是一名俄罗斯飞行员,因密谋向美国走私可卡因于2011年被判处20年监禁。

现在里德第一次回到美国和家人在一起,他正努力适应正常的生活。

这位前美国海军陆战队员在被释放后的首次采访中告诉ABC新闻,“我一直与家人在一起,试图再次习惯自由。”“那需要一点时间,那个过程。但我一天比一天感觉好。”

更多ABC新闻对特雷弗·里德的采访,请收看美国东部时间5月23日周一早上7点的《GMA》。完整的采访,请在东部时间晚上8:30收听ABC新闻直播。

他说,2019年夏天在莫斯科被捕时,他是一名健康的175磅的国际安全研究专业学生。当他被释放时,他说他的体重已经下降到131磅,他生病了,咳血,担心他已经感染了肺结核。

“他看起来很可怕。他看起来真的很瘦,他的眼睛下面有黑眼圈,他看起来不像去俄罗斯的那个特雷弗,”里德的母亲保拉·里德告诉美国广播公司新闻。“所以,很难看到他朝那个方向看。”

漫长的考验始于2019年的逮捕

这位30岁的德克萨斯州人的苦难始于2019年,当时他正在莫斯科拜访他的俄罗斯女友,一名刚毕业的法学毕业生。里德一直在学习俄语,他在该国的时间即将结束,他参加了一个与他女朋友的朋友聚会,在那里不断地喝伏特加,他喝醉了。

PHOTO: ABC News reporter Patrick Reevell  interviews Marine veteran Trevor Reed, May 21, 2022.

美国广播公司新闻

美国广播公司新闻记者帕特里克·里维尔采访海军老兵特雷弗·里德,2022年5月21日。

据里德的女友阿丽娜·齐布尔尼克(Alina Tsybulnik)说,在开车回家的路上,里德变得难以控制,然后从车里跳了出来。Tsybulnik和她的朋友说,由于无法把他弄回去,又担心他的安全,他们打电话给警察,请他们把Reed带到一个醉汉拘留所醒酒。

两名警察同意了,把里德带到警察局后,告诉他的女朋友早上来接他。里德说,他记得的最后一件事是在公园里,他说第二天早上在警察局的大厅里醒来时,他可以自由离开。

但是当他等待他的女朋友来接他时,换班发生了,下一班的警察决定拘留他。然后,他说,俄罗斯强大的国内情报机构联邦安全局(FSB)的特工来了,并审问了他。

“我一看到联邦安全局的特工,就知道这个案子的走向,”里德说。

“他们最想知道的是我服兵役的情况,”里德补充道。“他们根本没有问我,没有一个问题是关于我是否犯了罪,我是否做错了什么。他们没有问我任何与此相关的事情。他们主要想知道我服兵役的情况。”

特工到达后,警方突然指控里德袭击前一天晚上带走他的警察,指控他危及他们的生命。

他被当场逮捕。

“袋鼠法庭”

里德在被他描述为“袋鼠法庭”的法庭上接受了审判,美国大使馆谴责这是荒谬的。在美国广播公司新闻(ABC News)参加的听证会上,里德被指控殴打的两名警察努力回忆起事件,并多次自相矛盾,一度变得如此困惑,以至于法官嘲笑他们。

里德告诉美国广播公司新闻,在与两名官员的审讯中,他们向他承认他们奉命对他进行虚假指控。

“我问,你知道,其中一名警官,我说,‘你们为什么要这么做?“你为什么要写这个,比如,你知道,对我的虚假指控,”他看了看门口以确保没有人在那里,他看了看另一名警察,他说,“我们不想写这个。他们让我们写这个,””里德说。

尽管相信审判是预先决定的,里德努力证明自己的清白,反复上诉裁决。他指责俄罗斯当局试图向他施压,迫使他放弃抵抗,包括一度把他送到精神病治疗机构“吓唬我”。

“那真是太可怕了。你知道,墙上的血。地板上有一个洞可以用来上厕所,”里德说,他补充说,在他与其他四名患有严重心理疾病的囚犯共用的一个狭窄牢房中,地板上到处都是人的粪便。

“我想他们可能把我送到那里,用化学方法使我失去能力,给我镇静剂或其他什么东西,让我无法战斗,”里德说。

在审前拘留中心呆了一年多后,里德被描述为“极其肮脏”且老鼠横行,2020年年中,他被判有罪,并被判在战俘营服刑九年。他被转移到莫斯科300英里外的莫尔多维亚监狱,这里曾是二战后修建的古拉格集中营。

但在那里,里德说,他拒绝工作或向监狱规则磕头。

里德说:“从道德上讲,我认为为一个绑架美国人并将他们作为政治人质的政府工作是错误的。”“我自己也无法证明这一点。”

作为惩罚,他说他一次被单独监禁15天,晚上睡在冰冷的牢房地板上,试图蜷缩在热水管旁边取暖。

“我的意思是,这很难,但我不会让这改变我的行动,”里德说。

赢得囚犯的尊重

里德说,即使集中营的看守“恨他”不服从他们的工作命令,他的反抗也赢得了狱友的钦佩。

“我一直在与那里的政府抗争,”他说。“俄罗斯监狱里的囚犯,那里的犯罪分子,他们尊重这一点。”

他说,他坚持为正义而战,同时拒绝让自己抱有回家的希望,从而活了下来。

请在美国东部时间5月23日星期一晚上8:30/太平洋时间晚上9:30观看ABC新闻直播特别节目“985天:特雷弗·里德访谈”

与此同时,里德的父母继续为他争取自由。他的父亲乔伊·里德(Joey Reed)飞往俄罗斯,独自在那里呆了一年多,出席儿子的法庭听证会,并游说驻莫斯科的美国外交官。在美国国内,他和他的妻子和女儿在两党的政府领导人中发起了一场密集的运动来支持他的事业。

乔伊和葆拉·里德一路打到白宫,最终与拜登总统会面,他们认为这是说服他的政府最终达成交易的决定性因素。

“我的父母和我的女朋友,阿丽娜,做了一切,”特雷弗·里德说。“他们放弃了自己的一生来帮助我。”

囚犯交易

里德说,在他被交易的那天,他被20名联邦安全局特工带上了一架飞机,但没有告诉他目的地。但是当飞机向南飞行时,他看到自己正在水面上飞行,里德说他意识到那一定是黑海,他一定是向土耳其飞去。里德说,这架老旧的俄罗斯政府飞机破旧不堪,他担心飞机可能会在交换前坠毁。

他说,在土耳其的停机坪上,他走过了雅罗申科。

“我记得我看着他,他看着我。里德说:“我想我们俩可能都有同样的感觉,同样的想法,比如,‘那家伙就长这样。’”

在回来的飞机上接受了医生的治疗,里德说他努力摆脱新发现的飞行焦虑。

“在我见到我的家人之前,我最大的希望是飞机没有在那一刻坠毁,”他说。

工资争取其他人质

里德说,当他最初抵达美国时,他的父母在那里迎接他,但他说他不能拥抱或触摸他们,直到他接受了全面的医疗检查,以确保他没有肺结核或其他任何传染性疾病。

自从体检合格后,他说在过去的三年里,他一直在说俄语,试图适应正常的生活,甚至不得不记住一些英语。

但是里德说,他无法停止对另一名在俄罗斯被扣为人质的前海军陆战队员保罗·惠兰的思念,他被留了下来。惠兰于2018年在莫斯科参加一场婚礼时被捕,被控间谍罪,美国政府表示,这些指控也是捏造的,目的是将他作为谈判筹码。Whelan也在Mordovia的一个战俘营,被判16年徒刑。

俄罗斯此前曾提出用惠兰交换雅罗申科和其他在美国的俄罗斯人,一度有人认为里德和惠兰可能会被交易。

“我有一种非常强烈的负罪感,我获得了自由,而保罗·惠兰仍在监狱里。当我发现这是一场正在发生的交换时,我想他们可能也交换了保罗·惠兰。我希望他能和我一起回家。而他——他没有,”里德说。

“我认为那是错误的,他们救了我而不是保罗,”里德哽咽着说。“我知道,只要我有能力,我就会为他争取出来,我会尽我所能让他离开那里。”

里德说,他还担心WNBA明星布兰妮·格里纳,她在二月份因毒品走私指控被捕,此前俄罗斯当局声称他们在她的行李中发现了含有大麻油的vape子弹。国务院认定格林纳被错误拘留。

俄国也提出用臭名昭著的军火商维克托·布特交换惠兰和格林纳。绰号“死亡商人”的布特因毒品恐怖主义指控被判有罪,正在美国服刑25年。

里德说,美国应该毫不犹豫地交易布特,以释放惠兰和格林纳。

“我认为他们需要那样做。如果是为了维克托·布特,我不在乎。我不在乎是不是100场胜利。他们必须把我们的人弄出来,”里德说。

他说:“你知道,对于一个即将出狱的人来说,两个美国人将有很长的刑期,而他已经在监狱里呆了15年。”。

他说,如果其他美国人质的自由意味着更多的囚犯交换,那么美国政府不应该犹豫再次采取这种方式。

当被告知有些人反驳说交换囚犯只会鼓励各国扣押更多人质时,里德对此嗤之以鼻。

“我想说,这是完全不准确的,”里德说。“这根本不用担心,因为俄罗斯、中国、委内瑞拉、卢旺达、伊朗、叙利亚等国完全不需要绑架美国人的动机。”

'I fought': Trevor Reed speaks out on how he survived nearly 3 years in a Russian prison

When the war in Ukraine broke out in February,Trevor Reedsaid he believed it meant he likely would never come home.

The American former Marine by that time had beenimprisoned in Russiafor nearly three years, held hostage after being convicted on trumped up charges. For 985 days, Reed was held in a series of Russian prisons, thrown in isolation cells as small as a closet for 23 hours a day, placed in a psychiatric ward and sent to a forced labor camp he described as looking and feeling like something "out of medieval times.”

But within two months, Reed was home in the United States, freed on April 27 as part of a prisoner swap agreed between the Biden administration and the Kremlin. Reed was freed in exchange for Konstantin Yaroshenko, a pilot from Russia who was sentenced in 2011 to 20 years in prison for conspiring to smuggle cocaine into the United States.

Now back in America and with his family for the first time, Reed is trying to adjust to normal life.

"I've been hanging out with the family a lot, been trying to get used to being free again," the former U.S. Marine told ABC News in one of his first interviews since being released. "That takes a little bit of time, that process. But I feel better every day.”

For more of the ABC News interview with Trevor Reed, watch “GMA” on Monday, May 23, at 7 a.m. ET. And for the full interview, tune into ABC News Live at 8:30 p.m. ET.

He said that when he was arrested in Moscow in the summer of 2019, he was a healthy 175-pound student majoring in international security studies. When he was released, he said his weight had dropped to 131 pounds, he was ill, coughing up blood and feared he had contracted tuberculosis.

"He looked terrible. He looked really thin and he had dark circles under his eyes, and he just didn't look like the Trevor that left for Russia," Reed's mother, Paula Reed, told ABC News. "So, that was hard to see him looking that way."

Long ordeal began with 2019 arrest

The 30-year-old Texas native's ordeal started in 2019 when he was visiting his Russian girlfriend, a recent law graduate, in Moscow. Reed, who had been studying Russian, was coming to the end of his time in the country and attended a party with his girlfriend’s friends, where plied with vodka shots he became drunk.

On the drive home, Reed became unmanageable, according to his girlfriend, Alina Tsybulnik, and jumped out of the car. Unable to get him back in and fearing for his safety, Tsybulnik and her friends said they called the police to ask them to take Reed to a drunk tank to sober up.

Two police officers agreed and after taking Reed to the station told his girlfriend to come pick him up in the morning. Reed, who says the last thing he remembers was being in the park, said when he woke up in the lobby of the police station the next morning initially he was free to leave.

But as he waited for his girlfriend to arrive to pick him up, a shift change occurred and the police brass on the next shift decided to hold him. Then, he said, agents from Russia’s powerful domestic intelligence agency, the Federal Security Service or FSB, arrived and interrogated him.

"I pretty much knew as soon as I saw FSB agents where this case was was headed,” said Reed.

"The main thing that they wanted to know was about my military service," Reed added. "They didn't ask me at all, not one question about if I had committed a crime, if I had done something wrong. They did not ask me anything related to that at all. They wanted to know about my military service primarily."

After the agents' arrival, the police abruptly accused Reed of assaulting the police officers who had taken him the night before, charging him with endangering their lives.

He was arrested on the spot.

'Kangaroo court'

Reed was put on trial, in what he described as a "kangaroo court” and which the U.S. embassy denounced as absurd. At a hearing attended by ABC News, the two police officers Reed was alleged to have assaulted struggled to remember the incident and repeatedly contradicted themselves, at one point becoming so confused that the judge laughed at them.

Reed told ABC News that during an interrogation with the two officers, they admitted to him they had been ordered to make the false allegations against him.

"I asked, you know, one of those officers, I said, 'Why are you guys doing this? Why did you write this, like, false, you know, accusation against me?' And he looked around at the door to make sure that there was no one there, and he looked at the other police officer, and he said, "We didn't want to write this. They told us to write this.'" Reed said.

Despite believing the trial was predetermined, Reed battled to prove his innocence, repeatedly appealing rulings. He accused Russian authorities of trying to pressure him into dropping his resistance, including, at one point, sending him to a psychiatric treatment facility to "scare me."

"That was pretty terrible. You know, blood on the walls. There's a hole in the floor for the toilet," said Reed, adding that human feces were all over the floor of a cramped cell he shared with four other prisoners, who suffered from serious psychological conditions.

"I thought maybe they had sent me there to chemically disable me, to give me sedatives or whatever and make me unable to fight," Reed said.

After over a year in a pre-trial detention center that he described as “extremely dirty” and infested with rats, in mid-2020 Reed was convicted and sentenced to nine years in a prison camp. He was transported to a prison in Mordovia, around 300 miles of Moscow, a former Gulag camp built just after World War II.

But there, Reed said he refused to work or kowtow to prison rules.

"Ethically, I thought that would be wrong to work for a government who was kidnapping Americans and using them as political hostages," Reed said. "I couldn't justify that with myself."

As punishment, he said he was placed in solitary confinement for 15-day stretches at a time, sleeping in the cold cell at night on the floor, trying to stay warm by huddling next to a hot-water pipe.

"I mean, it was difficult, but I wasn't going to let that change my actions," Reed said.

Won prisoners' respect

Reed said that even as the guards in the camp "hated him" for not complying with their orders to work, his resistance attracted the admiration of fellow prisoners.

"I was consistently fighting and resisting the government there," he said. "The prisoners inside of the Russian prison, the criminal element there, they respected that."

He said he survived by maintaining his battle for justice while at the same time refusing to allow himself to hope he would ever go home.

Watch the ABC News Live special “985 Days: The Trevor Reed Interview” on Monday, May 23, at 8:30 pm ET/9:30 pm PT

Meanwhile, Reed's parents continued to battle for his freedom. His father, Joey Reed, flew to Russia, spending over a year alone there to be at his son's court hearings and lobby U.S. diplomats in Moscow. Stateside, he and his wife and daughter mounted an intensive campaign of government leaders on both sides of the political aisle to take up his cause.

Joey and Paula Reed took their fight all the way to the White House, eventually obtaining a meeting with President Biden which they credit as being decisive in persuading his administration to finally make the trade.

"My parents and my girlfriend, Alina, did everything," Trevor Reed said. "They gave up their whole lives to help me."

Prisoner trade

Reed said on the day he was traded, he was loaded onto a plane by 20 FSB agents but told nothing of the destination. But as the plane headed south and he saw he was flying over water, Reed said he realized it must be the Black Sea and he must be headed for Turkey. The aging Russian government plane was so dilapidated though, Reed said, that he feared they might crash before they made it to any swap.

On the tarmac in Turkey, he walked past Yaroshenko, he said.

"I remember looking at him and he looked over at me. I think both of us probably had that same feeling, that same thought of like, 'that's what that guy looks like,'" Reed said.

Treated by doctors on the plane back, Reed said he struggled to shake a new found anxiety around flying.

"Mostly I was hoping that the plane did not crash at that moment before I saw my family," he said.

Wages fight for other hostages

Reed said that when he initially landed in the United States, his parents were there to meet him, but he said he couldn't hug or touch them until he underwent a full medical examination to ensure he did not have tuberculosis or any other communicable diseases.

Since being medically cleared, he said he has tried to adjust to normal life, even having to remember some English, after speaking Russian for the past three years.

But Reed said he cannot stop thinking about the other former Marine held hostage in Russia, Paul Whelan, who was left behind. Whelan, who was seized in 2018 while attending a wedding in Moscow, is held on espionage charges that the U.S. government says were also fabricated to take him as a bargaining chip. Whelan is in a prison camp also in Mordovia, sentenced to 16 years.

Russia had previously floated trading Whelan for Yaroshenko and other Russians held in the United States and at one time it had been thought Reed and Whelan might be traded as a pair.

"I had a really strong feeling of guilt that I was free and that Paul Whelan was still in prison. I thought when I found out that it was an exchange that was happening, that they had probably exchanged Paul Whelan, as well. And I expected him to be coming home with me. And he-- he didn’t," Reed said.

"I thought that that was wrong, that they got me out and not Paul,” Reed said, choking up. "I knew that as soon as I was able to, that I would fight for him to get out and that I would do everything I could to get him outta there."

Reed said he also feared for the WNBA star Brittney Griner, who was seized on drugs smuggling charges in February after Russian authorities alleged they had found vape cartridges containing hashish oil in her luggage. The State Department has designated Griner as wrongfully detained.

Russia has also floated the idea of trading the notorious arms dealer Viktor Bout for Whelan and Griner. Bout, nicknamed the "Merchant of Death" is serving a 25-year prison sentence in the United States, convicted on narco-terrorism charges.

Reed said the United States should trade Bout without hesitation to free Whelan and Griner.

"I think that they need to do that. If that's for Viktor Bout, I don't care. I don't care if it's 100 Victor Bouts. They have to get our guys out,” Reed said.

“You're getting two Americans who are going to have, you know, a huge amount of time left on their sentences for a guy who is getting out soon-- who has already been in prison for 15 years,” he said.

He said if the freedom of the other American hostages means more prisoner exchanges, then the U.S. government shouldn't balk at taking that path again.

When told that some have countered that prisoner exchanges only encourage countries to take more hostages, Reed scoffed at that notion.

"I would like to say that that's completely inaccurate," Reed said. "That's not a concern at all because countries like Russia, China, Venezuela, Rwanda, Iran, Syria and places like that need absolutely no incentive to kidnap Americans."

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