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伊丽莎白认为,最高法院用Roe逆转案“点燃了一把火把”,以维持其合法性

2022-06-27 10:12  -ABC   - 

最高法院上周的裁决“烧掉了他们可能仍然拥有的任何合法性”推翻罗伊诉韦德案马萨诸塞州参议员伊丽莎白·沃伦周日表示。

民主党人沃伦在接受美国广播公司“本周”节目联合主持人玛莎·拉达茨的独家采访时说:“他们只是拿走了最后一点,并点燃了它。”。“我认为我们需要恢复对我们法院的信心,这意味着我们需要更多的美国最高法院法官。我们以前做过,我们需要再做一次。”(沃伦之前打过电话为了扩大数量包括12月份《波士顿环球报》的一篇专栏文章。)

在周五的裁决中,高等法院推翻了罗伊案中具有里程碑意义的判决,相反,它裁定堕胎权没有宪法保障。在多布斯诉杰克逊妇女健康组织一案中,法官以5比4的投票结果驳回了罗伊案,6比3的投票结果支持密西西比州禁止怀孕15周后堕胎。

这一逆转受到了反堕胎立法者和倡导者的广泛庆祝,但引发了全国各地的抗议活动,并受到了沃伦和其他主要民主党人的谴责。

古特马赫研究所(Guttmacher Institute)是一家专注于性健康和生殖健康的研究机构,该机构表示,在该决定做出后的几天里,至少有八个州宣布堕胎非法,未来几周,预计将有26个州禁止或严格限制堕胎。

Raddatz在“本周”节目中问沃伦,为什么堕胎不应该仅仅由各个州和他们选出的官员决定,而应该作为一项宪法权利来确保。

“‘去投票吧,’你说。乔·拜登总统说,“去投票吧。”但是看看那些禁止堕胎的州吧。州长克里斯蒂·诺姆说,这些州基本上是保守的,人们去投票。他们去投票,就像你在马萨诸塞州的选民一样,那里堕胎是合法的,所以为什么不把它留给各州呢?"

“我们从未将个人权利留给国家。“整个想法是,妇女不是二等公民,政府不是决定是否继续怀孕的人,”沃伦回应道。“堕胎和其他医疗程序一样,应该对这个国家的所有人全面开放。”

沃伦还呼吁拜登利用他可用的工具“尽可能地让堕胎成为可能,包括药物堕胎和利用联邦土地作为堕胎发生的地方。”

她敦促人们“像激光一样在11月的选举中投票”,并选出将编纂Roe的立法者,这是一些民主党人的优先事项,但没有避免参议院阻挠议事所需的60票。

沃伦说:“我们[需要]在民主党方面增加两名参议员,两名愿意保护堕胎权并摆脱阻挠议事的参议员,以便我们能够通过该法案。”。“约翰·费特曼,我在宾夕法尼亚州看着你。曼德拉·巴恩斯,我在威斯康星州看着你。我们把他们带进来,然后我们就有了选票,我们可以保护每一个女人,不管她住在哪里。”

沃伦说,她也“深切关注”克拉伦斯·托马斯法官上周的意见,即同意推翻罗伊案,但也呼吁高等法院继续拒绝其过去对避孕和同性恋婚姻的裁决。

“我知道法庭上的其他人说,‘不,不,我们不会去那里’,但请记住我们是如何走到今天这一步的,”沃伦说。“当罗伊诉韦德案第一次出现时,有一小部分人确实为他们自己和共和党人投入了大量精力,一次又一次地将罗伊推上选票。”Raddatz问Warren最高法院参议院的确认程序是否应该改变,因为一些加入推翻Roe的法官在他们的听证会上和其他地方说这是既定的法律或受尊重的先例。

“投票支持卡瓦诺大法官的参议员苏珊·科林斯和乔·曼钦都说他们被误导了。你认为现在确认大法官的程序应该改变吗?”拉达茨问道。

“我知道卡瓦诺法官-我不知道他对参议员柯林斯说了什么,我当时不在房间里,”沃伦说,他指的是两人之间的私人会晤。“但我知道这一点:共和党人一直非常公开地试图让那些没有公开罗伊记录的人通过法院,但他们知道,眨眼,眨眼,点头,点头,会在罗伊诉韦德的问题上变得极端,这正是我们最终的结果。”

Supreme Court 'set a torch' to last of its legitimacy with Roe reversal, Elizabeth Warren argues

The Supreme Court has "burned whatever legitimacy they may still have had" with their ruling last weekoverturning Roe v. Wade, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren said on Sunday.

"They just took the last of it and set a torch to it," Warren, a Democrat, told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz in an exclusive interview. "I believe we need to get some confidence back in our court and that means we need more justices on the United States Supreme Court. We've done it before, we need to do it again." (Warren has previously calledfor expanding the numberof justices, including in an op-ed in The Boston Globe in December.)

In a Friday decision, the high court overturned the landmark holding in Roe, instead ruling that there was no constitutional guarantee to abortion access. Justices voted five to four to reject Roe and six to three in favor of Mississippi's ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, in the underlying case of Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization.

The reversal was widely celebrated by anti-abortion lawmakers and advocates but sparked protests across the country and drew condemnation by Warren and other leading Democrats.

In the days since the decision, at least eight states have outlawed abortion and in the coming weeks a total of 26 states are expected to ban or severely restrict it, according to the Guttmacher Institute, a research group focusing on sexual and reproductive health.

Raddatz asked Warren on "This Week" why abortion should not just be decided by individual states and their elected officials, rather than ensured as a constitutional right.

"'Go to the polls,' you say. President [Joe] Biden says, 'Go to the polls.' But look at the states outlawing abortion," Raddatz pressed. "Those are largely conservative states, Gov. [Kristi] Noem had a point there -- people go to the polls. They went to the polls just like your constituents in Massachusetts where abortion is legal, so why not leave it to the states?"

"We have never left individual rights to the states. The whole idea is that women are not second-class citizens and the government is not the one that will decide about the continuation of a pregnancy," Warren responded. "Access to abortion, like other medical procedures, should be available across the board to all people in this country."

Warren also called for Biden to use his available tools to "make abortion as available as possible, including medication abortion and using federal lands as a place where abortion can occur."

She urged people to vote "like a laser on the election in November" and elect lawmakers who will codify Roe, which is a priority among some Democrats but doesn't have the 60 votes needed to avoid a Senate filibuster.

"We [need to] get two more senators on the Democratic side, two senators who are willing to protect access to abortion and get rid of the filibuster so that we can pass it," Warren said. "John Fetterman, I'm looking at you in Pennsylvania. Mandela Barnes, I'm looking at you in Wisconsin. We bring them in, then we've got the votes, and we can protect every woman no matter where she lives."

Warren said she was also "deeply concerned" about Justice Clarance Thomas' opinion last week that agreed with overturning Roe but also called on the high court to go on to reject its past rulings on contraception and gay marriage.

"I understand that the rest of the court said, 'No, no, we're not going there,' but remember how we got to where we are," Warren said. "When Roe v. Wade first came down, there was a tiny minority that really put a lot of energy in effect for themselves and for Republicans, putting Roe on the ballot over and over."

Raddatz asked Warren whether the Supreme Court Senate confirmation process should change, given that some justices who joined to overturn Roe had said at their hearings and elsewhere it was settled law or respected precedent.

"Sen. Susan Collins, who voted for Justice Kavanaugh, as well as Joe Manchin, have said they were misled. Do you think the process should change, now, of confirming justices?" Raddatz asked.

"I understand that Justice Kavanaugh -- I don't know what he said to Sen. Collins, I wasn't in the room," Warren said, referring to a private meeting between the two. "But I do know this: that the Republicans have been very overt about trying to get people through the court who didn't have a published record on Roe but who they knew, wink, wink, nod, nod, were going to be extremist on the issue of Roe v. Wade and that is exactly what we have ended up with."

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