美国广播公司新闻获得了前总统唐纳德·特朗普的一段录音,他似乎承认自己坚持敏感的军事文件离任后-但不能再解密,因为他不再是总统。
这段录音的内容是在2021年7月21日在特朗普新泽西州贝德明斯特高尔夫俱乐部的一次会议上录制的,此前曾被报道并被司法部的引用37项指控与特朗普卸任后对机密文件的处理有关——但录音本身此前从未公开过。
美国广播公司新闻能够从另一个听过录音的来源证实录音的真实性。
据消息人士透露,这次会议涉及到帮助特朗普前幕僚长马克·梅多斯(Mark Meadows)撰写回忆录的人。消息人士告诉ABC新闻,特别顾问杰克·史密斯的团队已经与会议的与会者交谈,其中包括梅多斯的自传作者和特朗普的至少两名助手。
在录音中,特朗普攻击参谋长联席会议主席马克·米利,并引用了特朗普声称米利编制的一份文件。
特朗普在录音中说:“嗯,让我看看,我给你看一个例子。”“他说我想攻击伊朗。是不是很神奇?我有一大堆文件,这件事刚刚出现。看啊。这就是他。他们给了我这个-这是不公开的,但是-他们给了我这个。这就是他。这是国防部和他。我们看了一些-这就是他。不是我干的,是他干的。各种各样的东西——页面长,看。”
“等一下,让我们看看这里。我才发现,这不是很神奇吗?”特朗普说。“这完全赢了我的案子,你知道。只不过这是高度机密。秘密。这是秘密信息。看,看这个。这是军方做的,给我的。作为总统,我本可以解密,但现在我不能。”
在这张2022年11月15日的资料照片中,前总统唐纳德·特朗普在佛罗里达州棕榈滩的Mar-a-Lago发表讲话。
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法宝无罪辩护检察官说,他一再拒绝归还数百份包含从美国核机密到国家国防能力等机密信息的文件。他否认了所有指控,并谴责调查是政治迫害。
检察官表示,特朗普在录音中承认他无法再解密该文件,这削弱了他的论点,即他在离开白宫之前已经解密了他拥有的所有文件。
录音最早是由美国有线电视新闻网.
“录音带提供了背景,再次证明特朗普总统根本没有做错任何事。特朗普竞选团队的一名发言人在谈到这段录音时说:“总统的讲话很有修辞性,也很幽默。
“正如我们从特朗普总统乘坐金色扶梯的那一刻起就一直在说的那样,总统没有做错任何事,”特朗普本人在一份声明中说。
在上周接受福克斯新闻频道采访时,川普否认他在贝德明斯特拥有的材料是机密文件。
“那不是文件,好吗?我有很多纸——我有报纸文章的副本,我有杂志的副本,”川普在福克斯新闻频道接受采访时说。“没有文件。这是大量的文件和其他一切谈论伊朗和其他事情。它可能被搁置,也可能没有,但那不是一份文件。”
“我没有一份文件,本身,”特朗普说。“没有什么需要解密的。这些是报纸故事、杂志故事和文章。”
美国广播公司新闻本月早些时候报道称,特朗普的律师未找到特朗普在录音中提到的材料。
In audio recording, Trump is heard discussing classified document he says he held onto
ABC News has obtained an audio recording of former President Donald Trump appearing to acknowledge he held onto asensitive military documentafter leaving office -- but can no longer declassify it because he is no longer president.
The contents of the recording, made during a July 21, 2021, meeting at Trump's Bedminster, New Jersey, golf club, have been previously reported and are quoted in the Justice Department's37-count indictmentrelated to Trump's handling of classified documents after leaving office -- but the recording itself has never before been heard publicly.
ABC News was able to confirm the authenticity of the recording from another source who has heard it.
The meeting involved people who were helping Trump's former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, with his memoir, according to sources. Special counsel Jack Smith's team has spoken to the meeting's attendees, which included autobiographers for Meadows and at least two aides to Trump, sources tell ABC News.
On the recording, Trump is heard attacking Joint Chiefs of Staff General Mark Milley and referencing a document that Trump claimed Milley had compiled.
"Well, with Milley -- uh, let me see that, I'll show you an example," Trump says on the recording. "He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn't that amazing? I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this -- this is off the record, but -- they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him. We looked at some -- this was him. This wasn't done by me, this was him. All sorts of stuff -- pages long, look."
"Wait a minute, let's see here. I just found, isn't that amazing?" Trump says. "This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me. As president I could have declassified, but now I can't."
Trumppled not guiltythis month to 37 criminal counts related to his handling of classified materials, after prosecutors said he repeatedly refused to return hundreds of documents containing classified information ranging from U.S. nuclear secrets to the nation's defense capabilities. He has denied all charges and denounced the probe as a political witch hunt.
Prosecutors say the Trump's acknowledgement on the recording that he could no longer declassify the document undercuts his argument that he had declassified all the documents in his possession before leaving the White House.
The audio recording was first published byCNN.
"The audio tape provides context proving, once again, that President Trump did nothing wrong at all. The president is speaking rhetorically and also quite humorously," a Trump campaign spokesperson said regarding the recording.
"As we’ve been saying from the moment President Trump rode down the golden escalator, the president did nothing wrong," Trump himself said in a statement.
In an interview with Fox News last week, Trump denied that the material in his possession at Bedminster was a classified document.
"It wasn't a document, OK? I had lots of paper -- I had copies of newspaper articles, I had copies of magazines," Trump said during the Fox News interview. "There was no document. That was a massive amount of papers and everything else talking about Iran and other things. And it may have been held up or may not, but that was not a document."
"I didn't have a document, per se," Trump said. "There was nothing to declassify. These were newspaper stories, magazine stories and articles."
ABC News reported earlier this month that Trump's attorneyshad not locatedthe material Trump was referencing in the recording.