参谋长联席会议主席马克·米利将军在一次新的采访中说，他对……有“许多遗憾”美国在阿富汗20年的冲突是如何结束的，告诉美国广播公司新闻的玛莎·拉达茨，“从更广泛的意义上说，这场战争已经失败了。”
8月是美国从阿富汗撤军两周年纪念日，在美国历时最长的战争结束，塔利班接管阿富汗后，美国军方和国务院努力撤离了约124，000名使馆人员、美国公民和处境危险的阿富汗人。
在美国广播公司(ABC)将于周日播出的“本周”(This Week)采访中，将于9月底退休的米莉赞扬了那些参与者的勇气，同时承认在美国离开后，阿富汗政府在与塔利班的权力分享协议生效前崩溃时出现的混乱。
Raddatz问Milley，他是否同意美国中央司令部前司令Frank McKenzie将军的感受，他在最近的一次采访中说，他“特别”后悔没有早点撤离大使馆工作人员、美国公民和处于危险中的阿富汗人。
“当然，我的意思是，我们失去了，显然，除了自阿富汗9/11以来被杀的2400人之外，还有13人在修道院大门丧生，”米莉在采访的一个片段中告诉拉达茨，在谈到喀布尔机场的袭击时其中13名美国军人和数十名阿富汗人丧生。
“它没有以我想要的方式结束。这不是我们任何人想要的结局，”米莉说。“看，当敌人占领你的首都...那是战略上的挫折，战略上的失败。这是我公开作证的。你不可能将此描述为战略上的成功。”
然而，米利也指出了撤军期间的成功，称这次撤离是“一次惊人的后勤壮举”
“这超过了‘旋风行动’期间在越南的产量，”他说。“由于所有在机场地面上的人的勇气和胆量，这些人今天获得了自由。”
尽管如此，他说，“从更广泛的意义上来说，这场战争输了。我们与塔利班及其盟友战斗了20多年。他们在首都占了上风，原因很多，我们今天没时间讲了。但是，当然，从911开始，我们很多人都有很多遗憾。”
2023年9月11日，参谋长联席会议主席马克·米利将军在五角大楼接受美国广播公司新闻的玛莎·拉德达茨采访。
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其他政府官员质疑这一观点撤退是混乱的或处理不当的。白宫国家安全发言人约翰·柯比在4月份说:“对于所有这些混乱的说法，我只是没有看到，不是从我的高处。”国防部长劳埃德·奥斯汀在3月份告诉国会，他“不后悔”。
“战争不会在过去10天或10个月内失败。通常来说，它们是许多年来许多转折和曲折的累积效应，”Milley告诉Raddatz。“这场战争，当最终的历史被书写时，将被证明是一样的。吸取了很多教训。你应该往右走的时候却向左拐了很多次。到时候一切都会水落石出。但是很多遗憾，绝对的，100%。我失去的每一个士兵都是一种遗憾。”
Milley说他有话要对那些在阿富汗战斗的人说。
“我希望在那里穿过军装的每个人都高昂着头，因为他们按照国家的要求做了，”他说。“我们连续20年保护美国免受来自阿富汗的袭击，我们给阿富汗人民带来了过上更好生活的希望。”
Raddatz绕回麦肯齐的评论，即没有更快地撤离是一个错误。
“你同意吗?”她问。
“是的，我同意，”米莉回答说。
“所以这是一个错误，”拉达茨坚持道。
他说:“我认为，当你回过头来看的时候，我认为关于迁移大使馆和国务院的一些决定本可以早一点作出。”
'Didn't end the way I wanted': Gen. Mark Milley looks back at US exit from Afghanistan
Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in a new interview that he has "lots of regrets" abouthow the United States' 20-year conflict in Afghanistan ended, telling ABC News' Martha Raddatz that "in the broader sense, the war was lost."
August marked the two-year anniversary of the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, when the military and State Department worked to evacuate some 124,000 embassy personnel, American citizens and at-risk Afghans following the Taliban's takeover of the country at the end of America's longest war.
In an interview for ABC's "This Week" that will air Sunday, Milley, who is retiring at the end of September, praised the courage of those involved while acknowledging the chaos that unfolded as the Afghan government collapsed before a planned power-sharing agreement with the Taliban could take effect after the U.S. left.
Raddatz asked Milley if he shared the feelings of Gen. Frank McKenzie, the former head of U.S Central Command, who said in a recent interview that he "particularly" regrets not evacuating embassy staff, American citizens and at-risk Afghans earlier.
"Of course, I mean, we lost, obviously, the 13 at Abbey Gate on top of the 2,400 that were killed from 9/11 on in Afghanistan," Milley told Raddatz in a clip from his interview,referring to an attack at the Kabul airportin which 13 U.S. service members were killed along with scores of Afghans.
"It didn't end the way I wanted it. That didn't end the way any of us wanted it," Milley said. "Look, at -- when the enemy is occupying your capital ... that's a strategic setback, strategic failure. That's what I testified to in public. And there's no way you can describe that as a strategic success."
However, Milley also pointed to successes during the withdrawal, calling the evacuation "an amazing logistical feat."
"It exceeds that which came out of Vietnam during Operation Whirlwind," he said. "And those people are free today because of the courage and the bravery of all of those that were on the ground at the airport."
Nonetheless, he said, "In the broader sense, the war was lost. We were fighting the Taliban and their allies for 20-plus years. And they prevailed in that capital for a lot of reasons that we don't have time to go over today. But, sure, lots of regrets by a lot of us from, from 9/11 on."
Other administration officials have challenged the viewthat the withdrawal was in disarray or mishandled. White House national security spokesman John Kirby said in April: "For all this talk of chaos, I just didn't see it, not from my perch." And Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told Congress in March that he had "no regrets."
"Wars aren't lost in the last 10 days or 10 months. Typically, they're the cumulative effect of lots of turns and twists over many, many years," Milley told Raddatz. "And this war, when the final history is written, will prove to be the same. Lots of lessons learned. Lots of lefts when you should have gone right. And that'll all come out in due time. But lots of regrets, absolutely, 100%. Every single soldier I lost is a regret."
Milley said he had a message for those who fought in Afghanistan.
"I want everyone who ever wore the uniform over there to hold their head high because they did what their nation asked," he said. "And we protected the United States for 20 consecutive years from attack from Afghanistan, and we gave the Afghan people hope for a better life."
Raddatz circled back to McKenzie's comments that it was a mistake not to evacuate more quickly.
"Do you agree with that?" she asked.
"Yeah, I agree with that," Milley answered.
"So that was a mistake," Raddatz pressed.
He said, "I think as you look back on it, I think that some decisions with respect to moving the embassy and Department of State could have been made a little earlier."
