前美国驻联合国大使、共和党总统候选人妮基·黑利在一次网络采访中与美国广播公司新闻直播节目主持人Linsey Davis坐在一起，讨论了一系列广泛的话题，包括前总统唐纳德·特朗普、以色列-哈马斯战争、堕胎和她进入公众视野前的生活。

海莉在爱荷华州的苏中心与戴维斯坐在一起，几天后她继续在该州巡回演出第四次共和党初选辩论.

2023年12月9日，共和党总统候选人、前联合国大使妮基·黑利接受美国广播公司新闻频道Linsey Davis的采访。

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"我认为他不是当总统的合适人选。"

在周三举行的第四次共和党辩论中，候选人被问及特朗普是否适合担任总统——虽然前新泽西州长克里斯·克里斯蒂是特朗普的坚定批评者，他说他不适合，但其他三名竞选人提供了不太明确的答案。

海莉在辩论中没有回答，但当戴维斯问她时，她说这不是关于健康的问题，而是特朗普现在不是当总统的合适人选。

“这不是健身的问题。我认为他适合当总统。而是“他应该当总统吗?”我认为他不应该当总统。我认为他是正确时间的正确总统，”哈利说。

“我们必须审视我们正在处理的问题，提出新的解决方案，而不是专注于过去的消极和包袱。所以这不是健康的问题。我只是不认为他是总统的合适人选，”她补充道。

海利在竞选活动的言论中坚持认为特朗普是正确时间的正确总统，但最近，她开始呼吁这个国家超越他。然而，在共和党的第一场辩论中，她表示即使总统被判重罪，她也会支持他成为候选人。

这位前驻联合国大使被问及她对特朗普忠诚度的摇摆不定，这位前总统自己也曾就此指责她，她说，“她一分钟前批评我，15分钟后，她就不再批评我了。”

“你知道，反对特朗普的人认为我不够恨他，支持特朗普的人认为我不够爱他。我直言不讳，”她说。

“我不会100%和他在一起。我不会百分百反对他。对我来说不是私人恩怨。这是关于什么对国家是正确的，”她继续说道。“这是关于我们将如何领导。这是我们应该走的方向。这不是一个人的个人想法。这是关于我们要拯救一个国家的事实。”

“以色列不想要加沙”

自从哈马斯10月7日突然对以色列发动恐怖袭击以来，哈利呼吁以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡“结束”哈马斯，并在很大程度上搁置了对加沙人道主义危机的担忧。

虽然她在11月的共和党辩论中谈到在战斗中区分“平民与恐怖分子”，但她一再拒绝停火的想法，包括那天晚上。

“拯救加沙人民的最佳方式是消灭哈马斯，因为他们不应该生活在那里，”哈利在辩论中说。“如果你实行停火，就会有人死亡，因为我们以前也这样做过，哈马斯以前也这样做过，他们杀害以色列士兵，并劫持更多的以色列士兵作为人质。这就是会发生的事情。”

戴维斯问哈利，她认为谁应该控制加沙。

“我认为以色列不想要加沙，但是他们不想让恐怖分子生活在加沙。因此，我认为，以色列边境需要得到安全保护，加沙不再是恐怖分子活动的温床。所以我认为我们必须弄清楚这将如何运作，”她说。

“我不认为这是以色列想要的。我确实认为这是一个应该自由、开放和安全的地方，但不能有恐怖活动。所以以色列将不得不参与其中。你不能让类似10月7日的事情再次发生在你的人民身上，因为哈马斯已经表示他们会回来。他们会再做一次，”她补充道。

“个人问题”:哈利讨论堕胎

在这条路上，海莉试图在堕胎问题上走一条微妙的路线，回避对任何具体联邦禁令的支持，并试图在她的回应中表现出“人性化”的语气。她经常谈论一个她说被强奸的大学室友和她自己生孩子的挣扎。

但她也表示，她将签署参议院“任何能通过的东西”，并总是补充说，在当前的阻挠议事规则下，任何禁令都不太可能通过。

在迈阿密举行的第三次共和党辩论中，哈利回避直接回答关于支持参议员蒂姆·斯科特(Tim Scott)15周联邦禁令的问题。

“当涉及到联邦法律时，这就是这里正在辩论的问题，诚实地说:这将需要60名参议员的投票，众议院的多数席位和总统的签署，”哈利说。“因此，没有一位共和党总统能够禁止堕胎，就像没有一位民主党总统能够禁止这些州法律一样。”

当提到凯特·考克斯(Kate Cox)的案件时，戴维斯问哈利，哈利政府将如何处理这一案件。凯特·考克斯是一位31岁的德克萨斯州母亲，她不得不在法官面前说，她需要堕胎，以挽救她的子宫，并保留她未来拥有健康孩子的机会。哈利回应说，堕胎是个人问题。

“我不知道你所指案件的细节。我可以告诉你的是，我不认为这个问题需要由非选举产生的法官来处理。它需要掌握在人民手中，因为这是每个男女的个人问题，”哈利说。

“我们正在观察各州做出这些决定。一些州越来越倾向于反堕胎。我对此表示欢迎。一些州越来越倾向于选择。我希望情况不是这样，但这是人民的决定，”她说。

“不必要的”:哈利的女儿在拉马斯瓦米抖音评论上发言

海莉后来和她的女儿雷娜一起接受了采访，她在竞选活动中表示，她将禁止抖音，并就这个话题与她的一些共和党竞争对手争吵。

最值得注意的是，哈利与候选人维韦克·拉马斯瓦米(Vivek Ramaswamy)发生了争执，他提到了哈利的女儿以前有一个抖音账户，后来她停用了这个账户。

"如果你使用抖音，你如何让它被禁?"这是向Ramaswamy提出的问题，他自己也有一个抖音账户。

“我想嘲笑妮基·黑利说的话。她自己的女儿实际上已经用了很长时间了。所以你可能想先照顾好你的家人，”Ramaswamy开始说道，遭到了一些观众的嘘声。

妮基·黑利很快告诉拉马斯瓦米“让我的女儿远离你的声音”，然后称他为“人渣”

海莉的女儿Rena告诉Davis，她觉得Ramaswamy提到她使用抖音是不必要的，没有必要的。

“我的意思是，我觉得这是不必要的，”她说。“我觉得，人们知道不要让孩子陷入这样的境地。所以我觉得这有点多余。”

 

First on ABC: Nikki Haley opens up about Trump, Israel and more

Former U.S. ambassador to the U.N. and Republican presidential candidate Nikki Haley sat down with ABC News Live Prime anchor Linsey Davis in a network interview in which she discussed a wide range of topics including former President Donald Trump, the Israel-Hamas war, abortion and her life before stepping into the public eye.

Haley sat down with Davis in Sioux Center, Iowa, before she continued her swing around the state just days after thefourth Republican primary debate.

"I don't think he's the right person to be president."

During the fourth GOP debate, held Wednesday, candidates were asked whether Trump is fit to be president -- and while former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, a staunch Trump critic, said that he was not, the other three contenders offered less clear answers.

Haley did not answer during the debate, but when asked by Davis, she said it was not about fitness but rather that Trump is just not the right person to be president right now.

"It's not about fitness. I think he's fit to be president. It's 'Should he be president?' I don't think he should be president. I thought he was the right president at the right time," said Haley.

"We've got to look at the issues that we're dealing with, coming forward with new solutions, not focusing on negativity and baggage of the past. So it's not about being fit. It's just I don't think he's the right person to be president," she added.

Haley has insisted that Trump was the right president at the right time in remarks from the campaign trail, but recently, she has taken to calling for the country to move past him. However, at the first GOP debate, she signaled she would support the president as nominee even if he were convicted of a felony.

The former U.N ambassador was asked about her waffling on her loyalty towards Trump, something that the former president himself has called her out on, saying, "She criticizes me one minute, and 15 minutes later, she un-criticizes me."

"You know, anti-Trumpers don't think I hate him enough and pro-Trumpers don't think I love him enough. I call it like I see it," she said.

"I'm not going to be 100% with him. I'm not going to be 100% against him. It's not personal for me. This is about what's right for the country," she continued. "This is about how we're going to lead. This is about the direction we should go. It's not about the personal thoughts of an individual. It's about the fact that we have a country to save."

"Israel does not want Gaza"

Since Hamas' Oct. 7 surprise terror attack on Israel, Haley has called for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to "finish" Hamas and has largely pushed aside concerns about the humanitarian crisis playing out in Gaza.

While she talked about making a distinction in combat between "civilians versus terrorist" at the November GOP debate, she has repeatedly dismissed the idea of a cease-fire repeatedly, including that evening.

"The best way to save people in Gaza is to eliminate Hamas because they should not live under that," Haley said at the debate. "If you do a cease-fire, people die, because we've done this before and what Hamas did before, they killed Israeli soldiers and they took more Israeli soldiers hostage. That's what would happen."

Davis asked Haley who she believed should control Gaza.

"I think Israel, Israel does not want Gaza, but they don't want terrorists living in Gaza. So I think it needs to be a situation where the Israeli border is safe and protected and Gaza is no longer a bed for terrorists to act. And so I think we have to figure out how this is going to work," she said.

"I don't think it's something that Israel wants. I do think that it's a place that should be free and open and safe, but not with terrorist activity. So Israel is going to have to be involved in that. You can't go through something like Oct. 7 and chance that happening to your people again because Hamas has already said that they're going back. They're going to do it again," she added.

"A personal issue": Haley discusses abortion

On the trail, Haley has tried to walk a fine line on abortion, dodging support for any specific federal ban and trying to strike a "humanizing" tone in her response. She often discusses a college roommate she says was raped and her own struggles with having children.

But she has also said she would sign "anything that would pass" the Senate, always adding the caveat that it would be unlikely any ban would pass under the current filibuster rules.

At the third Republican debate in Miami, Haley sidestepped directly answering questions about supporting Sen. Tim Scott's 15-week federal ban using that very tactic.

"When it comes to the federal law, which is what's being debated here, be honest: It's going to take 60 Senate votes, a majority of the House and a president to sign it," Haley said. "So no Republican president can ban abortions any more than a Democrat president can ban these state laws."

When referring to the case of Kate Cox, a 31-year-old Texas mother who had to go before a judge saying that she needed to get an abortion in order to save her uterus and preserve her chance to have healthy children in the future, Davis asked Haley how a Haley administration would handle the case. Haley responded that abortion is a personal issue.

"I don't know the details of the case that you're referring to. What I can tell you is I don't think that this issue needed to be in the hands of unelected justices. It needs to be in the hands of the people because it's a personal issue for every woman and man," said Haley.

"We're watching states make these decisions. Some states are going more pro-life. I welcome that. Some states are going more on the choice side. I wish that wasn't the case, but the people decide," she said.

"Uncalled for": Haley's daughter speaks on Ramaswamy TikTok comment

Haley, who was later joined by her daughter Rena during the interview, has said on the campaign trail that she would ban TikTok and has quibbled with some of her Republican competitors over the topic.

Most notably, Haley sparred with fellow candidate Vivek Ramaswamy after he brought up Haley's daughter previously having a TikTok account, which she has since deactivated.

"How do you get TikTok banned if you use it?" was the question posed to Ramaswamy, who himself has a TikTok account.

"I want to laugh at what Nikki Haley said. Her own daughter was actually using the app for a long time. So you might want to take care of your family first," Ramaswamy started, getting booed by some audience members.

Nikki Haley quickly told Ramaswamy to "Leave my daughter out of your voice" before calling him "scum."

Haley's daughter Rena told Davis that she felt Ramaswamy mentioning her use of TikTok was unnecessary and uncalled for.

"I mean, I felt like it was unnecessary," she said. "I feel like it's, people know not to bring kids into a situation. And so I felt like it was kind of uncalled for."