前总统唐纳德·特朗普一直在讨好黑人选民，但也因使用种族情绪而引起争议。他暗示，他声称这些情绪与他的多项刑事起诉有关，从而加强了他对美国黑人的吸引力。
特朗普制造了评论上周在南卡罗来纳州哥伦比亚市举行的黑人保守联盟庆祝活动上。
乔·拜登总统连任竞选联合主席塞德里克·里士满说这些评论“明显带有种族主义色彩”。
尽管特朗普的言论引起了强烈反对，但一些黑人保守派人士表示，他们仍然支持这位前总统。
“美国黑人正在清醒地认识到一个现实，即民主党利用了他们，媒体和民主党都感到恐惧。我们的社区支持唐纳德·特朗普总统的政策，并且非常清楚四年前在他的领导下生活会更好。黑人保守派联盟主席迪安特·约翰逊在一份声明中说:“无论媒体如何欺骗或自由派的种族诱饵都不会动摇黑人选民在今年11月投票支持更安全的街道、更好的金融福祉、安全的边境以及彻底拒绝乔·拜登的灾难性任期。”
2月2日，美国前总统唐纳德·特朗普在黑人保守联盟庆祝活动上发表讲话.
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北卡罗莱纳州弗雷德里克·道格拉斯基金会的运营总监阿杜勒·阿里，自由母亲组织的全国推广总监蒂亚·贝斯，“每个黑人的生命都很重要”组织的联合创始人凯文·麦克加里，以及佛罗里达州立大学的学生查里斯·莱恩&M大学，接受了ABC新闻的林西·戴维斯的采访，谈到了他们的持续支持。当特朗普发表评论时，他们正在参加活动，并不认为他们是种族主义者。
为清晰起见，以下交流内容经过编辑。
ABC新闻直播:Abdul，那天晚上当你在活动中听到这些评论时，你有什么想法?
阿里:是时候有人开始说实话了。我的意思是，他只是在说一些黑人经历了很长时间的事情，在很多情况下，这是一个灾难性的司法系统。最终，我们都能亲眼目睹这一切的发生。我没有-我没有被冒犯，也没有觉得他说的任何话有任何种族歧视。
ABC新闻直播:前总统特朗普也就他的面部照片发表了声明佐治亚州案例。我们来听一下。
特朗普:你知道谁比其他人更喜欢它吗?黑人人口。太不可思议了。你看到黑人拿着我的照片到处走。你知道，他们做衬衫，每件卖19美元。
ABC新闻直播:凯文，我想带你进来。你觉得那个评论有什么不妥吗?
麦克加里:一点也不。我的意思是，你知道，现实是，你知道，我们看到一位总统被起诉和迫害，而社区中的许多人，特别是黑人社区，他们觉得有多层司法，看到这种情况在他们眼前发生，他们说，‘是的，我能理解这个家伙。这个人正在经历一些我或我的家人经历过的事情，对很多人来说这是非常值得同情的时刻。
所以，把他的面部照片看做，.....对媒体和政治专家来说这是一件大事。这确实在社区内引起了共鸣。
ABC新闻直播:蒂亚，我想听听你的意见。
贝丝:嗯，不，不，我同意，尤其是从教育的角度来看。你知道，他没有说如果你不是黑人，如果你不投票给我你就不是黑人。你知道，他只是在陈述事实，这就是有时候我们需要听到的。在政治中，我们被欺骗了太久，我们需要听到真相。很长时间以来，在政治上，我们一直被欺骗，我们需要听到真相，并有一个我们可以理解的人。
车道:就我个人而言，我不认为这与黑人有必然联系，但我确实认为许多黑人经历了刑事司法系统，这对他们不公平。我想他就是这么说的。
ABC新闻直播:阿卜杜勒，你说过你更关注特朗普的政策，而不是他实际上说了什么。但正如我们在他当总统时看到的那样，他的话确实有巨大的力量，甚至在他讲话后几分钟就波动了股市。你认为他的话不重要吗?
阿里:他的话绝对重要，我不太关心开玩笑说的话，我更关心的是我们的总统实际上通过《第一步法案》进行了刑事司法改革。与拜登政府和民主党不同的是，他提出了一项赋予黑人经济权力的白金计划，这是我们从未在民主党身上看到过的。
ABC新闻直播:凯文，你认为在过去他担任总统的四年里，有哪些政策让黑人受益?
麦克加里:绝对的。我希望主流媒体报道的第一大政策，因为它会让你在普通民众中获得更多的信任，是乔·拜登总统和1994年犯罪法案(拜登在担任参议员时帮助通过了该法案，但他后来表示支持该法案是一个错误)当他说，看，我们将摆脱这些种族丛林我们打算，你知道，基本上以黑人和棕色人种社区为目标，只需要5美元。我要判他15年到终身监禁。这种情况一直在持续。
特朗普总统上台后，尤其看到了对黑人群体的不公正待遇。它是有目标的。他说，不，我们要拆除它。
ABC新闻直播:根据出口民调，从2016年到2022年，前总统特朗普的黑人选票增加了5%。蒂亚，我想带你回来。你认为是什么推动了这一增长?你觉得特朗普的哪些具体政策帮助了美国黑人?
贝丝:嗯，我是说，你知道，我会从我自己开始。你知道，我一生都是民主党人，我的整个家庭都是民主党人，但我开始关注正在制定的政策是在冠状病毒肺炎时期。就像，我开始关注，你知道，当特朗普和其他政客听取父母的意见时，那些真正有发言权的人很重要。因为如果你看看现在的媒体，没有人关注父母和我们需要什么。
我是黑人家长并不意味着我不关心我的孩子，也不意味着我的意见不应该被听到。所以，你知道，特朗普在父母权利体系内一直支持很多政策。
ABC新闻直播:任何人都可以在这里回答。有点像跳球。最后的问题。你对唐纳德·特朗普周末说的有争议的话引起的媒体反应、噪音和一些评论有何看法。我也很好奇，唐纳德·特朗普会说些什么来阻止你们投票给他吗?
车道:对我来说，我认为这更多的是政策和行动，而不是空谈。你知道，有人可以整天谈论一场精彩的比赛。如果他们愿意，他们可以吸引黑人选民。但这一切都与政策和你正在做的事情有关。那对我来说确实很突出。比如说，有两项政策，两项我同意他通过的大政策，比如关于学校选择的问题。我支持学校选择。我也反对非法移民。
我认为它确实对美国黑人产生了不成比例的影响，我想我的许多同行都会同意这一点。
我这么说是因为这些人被送到了黑人社区，他们被送到了我们的街区。
ABC新闻直播:还有人吗?
阿里:好吧，如果特朗普明天出来说，我想要一个无限制的开放边境，如果他明天出来说他赞成晚期堕胎，如果他明天出来说他不认为黑人有能力在这个国家取得成功，那么我不会投票给他。但他可能不会说这些话，我可能会支持他。
Black conservative voters stand by Trump despite controversial remarks
Former PresidentDonald Trumphas been courting Black voters but has also drawn controversy by using racially charged sentiments by suggesting he has strengthened his appeal to Black Americans by claiming they relate to his multiple criminal indictments.
Trump made theremarksat the Black Conservative Federation Gala in Columbia, South Carolina, last week.
President Joe Biden's reelection campaign co-chair Cedric Richmondsaidthe comments were "plainly racist."
Despite the backlash that Trump's comments created, some Black conservatives say they are still supporting the former president.
"Black Americans are waking up to the reality that the Democratic Party has taken advantage of them, and the media and the party are terrified. Our community supports the policies of President Donald J. Trump and knows full well that life was better four years ago under his administration. No amount of media deception or liberal race baiting will sway the minds of Black voters will cast their ballots this November for safer streets, a better financial well-being, a secure border, and a complete rejection of Joe Biden's disastrous tenure," Diante Johnson, President of the Black Conservative Federation said in a statement.
Addul Ali, Director of Operations at The Frederick Douglass Foundation of North Carolina, Tia Bess, the national outreach director of Moms For Liberty, Kevin McGarry, co-founder of Every Black Life Matters, and Charrise Lane, a student at Florida A&M University, spoke with ABC News' Linsey Davis about their continued support. They were at the event when Trump made his comments and did not believe they were racist.
The following exchange has been edited for clarity and length.
ABC News Live:Abdul, what were your thoughts that night when you heard these comments during the event?
Ali:It's about time that somebody started telling the truth. I mean, he's only speaking to what some Black folks have experienced for a very long time, which is a disastrous justice system in many cases. And ultimately, we can all see this playing out right in front of our very eyes. I didn't-- I wasn't offended or didn't feel like anything he said was racist in any way.
ABC News Live:Former President Trump also made a statement about his mugshot taken as part of hisGeorgia case. Let's take a listen to that.
Trump: And you know who embraced it more than anybody else? The Black population. It's incredible. You see Black people walking around with my mugshot. You know, they do shirts and they sell them for $19 apiece.
ABC News Live:Kevin, I want to bring you in here. Do you feel that that comment was in any way off color?
McGarry:Not at all. I mean, you know, the reality is, is that, you know, we see a president that has been prosecuted and persecuted and a lot of the people in the community, especially the Black community, who have felt that there's multiple tiers of justice, are seeing that played out in front of their very eyes and they're saying, 'Yeah, I can relate to this guy. This guy is going through some things that either myself or my family have gone through,' and this is very relatable moment for a lot of people.
So, seeing his mugshot as a, you know, ..... to the media and to the political pundits is it's a big deal. And it really does resonate within, within the community.
ABC News Live:Tia, I want to get your comments there.
Bess:Well, no, no, I agree, especially coming from an education perspective. You know, he didn't say if you're not Black, you're not Black if you don't vote for me. You know, he was just stating the truth and that's what sometimes we need to hear. For too long in politics, we've been lied to and we need to hear the truth. For too long, in politics, we've been lied to and we need to hear the truth and have someone that we can relate to.
Lane:Me personally, I don't think that's necessarily relating to Blackness, but I do think that a lot of black people have gone through the criminal justice system and it has been unfair to them. And I think that's what he was saying.
ABC News Live:Abdul, you've said that you focus more on Trump's policies than what he actually says. But as we saw when he was president, his words do have tremendous power, even fluctuating the stock market just minutes after he'd speak. Do you think that his words shouldn't matter?
Ali:His words absolutely do matter, and I'm less concerned with something said in jest, and I'm more concerned with the fact that we had a president who actually took on criminal justice reform with the First Step Act. And unlike the Biden administration and the Democrats, he set forth a platinum plan for Black economic empowerment, something we've seen nothing of the sort from the Democrats.
ABC News Live:Kevin, your thoughts as far as do you feel that there have been some policies in the past well while he was president for four years, that Black people benefited from?
McGarry:Absolutely. And the number one policy and the one policy I wish the mainstream media would cover, because it would give you a lot more credibility amongst your average folks, would be the policy that, [President] Joe Biden and [the]1994 crime bill, (which Biden helped pass when he was a senator but has since said it was a mistake to support ) when he says, look, we're going to get rid of theseracial jungles, we're going to, you know, basically target Black and brown communities for a little five, $5 piece of crap. I'm going to send him to prison for 15 to life. And this has been going on.
President Trump came in and saw the injustice that was perpetrated on the Black community especially. It was targeted. And he said, no, we're going to dismantle this.
ABC News Live:According to exit polling, former President Trump saw a 5% increase in the Black vote from 2016 to 2022. Tia, I want to bring you back in here. What do you think is driving this increase? What specific Trump policies do you feel have helped black Americans?
Bess:Well, I mean, you know, I'll start with myself. You know, I was a Democrat for all my life, my entire family, you know, but it was around COVID time when I started paying attention to policies being made. Like, I started paying attention to, you know, when Trump and other politicians were listening to the parents, the people who really had voices that matter. Because if you look at the media now, no one's paying attention to the parents and what we need.
And just because I'm a Black parent doesn't mean that I care less about my child, doesn't mean that my opinions should not be heard. So there have been a lot of policies that, you know, Trump has been supporting within the parental rights system.
ABC News Live:And anyone can answer here. Kind of a jump ball. Final question. What do you think about the media response, the noise and some of the comments made as a result of the controversial remarks, if you will, that Donald Trump said over the weekend. And I'm also curious, is there anything that Donald Trump could say that would stop you all from voting for him?
Lane:For me, I would say that it is moreso about policy and action instead of just talking. You know, someone can talk a good game all day. They can appeal to Black voters if they want to. But it's all about policy and what you're doing. That really stands out to me. Like, for instance, there are two policies, two big policies that I agree with that he has passed, such as things on school choice. I'm pro-school choice. And I'm also, anti-illegal immigration.
I think that it does disproportionately affect Black Americans, and I think that a lot of my counterparts would agree with.
And I say that because those people are being sent to Black communities, they are being sent to our hoods, our neighborhoods.
ABC News Live:Anyone else?
Ali:Well, if Trump came out tomorrow and said, I want an unlimited open border, if he came out tomorrow and said he was in favor of late-stage abortion, if he came out tomorrow and said he doesn't think Black people have the capacity to succeed in this country, then I wouldn't vote for him. But chances are he won't be saying those things and chances are I'll be supporting him.
