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哈里斯表示,如果以色列入侵拉法,美国没有排除“后果”

2024-03-26 09:45 -ABC  -  465465

  美国副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯在接受美国广播公司新闻采访时表示,如果以色列推进入侵拉法的计划在追击哈马斯战士时。

  这座位于加沙南部与埃及交界的城市被认为目前有大约140万人口。

  根据联合国的说法,由于哈马斯10月7日的恐怖袭击引发的持续战争,许多巴勒斯坦人从该地区的其他地方逃到那里。

  “我们在多次对话中以各种方式明确表示,在拉法的任何重大军事行动将是一个巨大的错误在周日播出的《本周》节目中,哈里斯对美国广播公司新闻的资深国会记者雷切尔·斯科特说

  “让我告诉你一件事:我研究过地图。这些人无处可去,”哈里斯说。

  以色列总理本雅明·内塔尼亚胡本月早些时候表示,他已经批准了入侵拉法的计划,这一声明促使美国总统乔·拜登转达了白宫对在该市避难的许多平民安全的“深切担忧”。

  据哈马斯控制的卫生部称,到目前为止,加沙已有数万人死亡。

  内塔尼亚胡坚持认为,在哈马斯发动袭击后,进入拉法是解散哈马斯的必要之举;以色列军队还坚称,他们可以将平民从战场转移到“人道主义岛屿”——但以色列军方的主要支持者美国严厉批评了大规模入侵的可能性。

  斯科特周日向副总统施压,询问如果内塔尼亚胡继续前进,美国是否会考虑“后果”-尽管遭到反对,他表示愿意这样做。

  哈里斯说:“好吧,我们将一步一步来,但我们对这种情况是否应该发生的看法非常明确。”

  斯科特跟进:“你是否排除美国会带来后果?”

  “我不排除任何可能性,”哈里斯回答。

  在采访中,哈里斯还被问及参议院多数党领袖查克·舒默的观点呼吁以色列举行新的选举内塔尼亚胡谴责这是“完全不合适的”干涉他的国家政治。

  拜登没有回应舒默的立场,但称赞这位参议员的总体评论是一次“不错的演讲”。

  哈里斯在“本周”节目中告诉斯科特,“我不会为舒默参议员说话,但我们非常清楚,以色列人民应该决定何时举行选举,当然,他们选择谁来领导他们的政府。这要由他们自己说了。”

  斯科特问哈里斯,她是否认为内塔尼亚胡像舒默所说的那样是“和平的障碍”。

  哈里斯没有直接回答这个问题,他说:“我相信,我们必须继续执行我们所知道的在加沙发生的事情中应该优先考虑的事项。”“我们非常清楚,太多无辜的巴勒斯坦人被杀害。我们一直非常清楚,以色列和以色列人民以及巴勒斯坦人有权享有同等的安全和尊严。”

  另外,在解决国内问题时,哈里斯不排除采取行政行动来解决南部边境的大量移民问题。据ABC新闻此前报道,总统一直在考虑收紧庇护限制。

  民调显示拜登在移民方面得分很低这是许多美国人最关心的问题。共和党人继续在边境问题上抨击总统。

  尽管哈里斯坚称国会有“巨大的权力、权威和责任”来解决这一问题——在保守派议员最近未能在参议院就两党移民协议达成一致后——但她也表示拜登政府将“尽我们所能”。

  “到目前为止,边境上的行政行动仍然有效吗?“斯科特问道。“我们能看看吗?”

  哈里斯最初指回国会山说,“这并不能免除国会采取行动时真正解决问题的事实。”

  当斯科特再次追问时,副总统说:“是的,供考虑。”

  采访在佛罗里达州帕克兰的马乔里·斯通曼·道格拉斯高中进行,该高中是2018年情人节大规模枪击事件的发生地,该事件造成17名学生和工作人员死亡。

  哈里斯当时正和一些受害者家属一起参观这所学校——这里仍是一个活跃的犯罪现场。

  哈里斯告诉斯科特:“六年前在这里发生的事情无论从哪方面来看都是悲剧。

  她后来表示,她访问这所学校“见证(美国枪支暴力)如何影响真实的人”是“重要的”

  副总统说:“我们必须认为这不仅仅是统计数据,我们当然必须明白我们应该有同理心,这要求我们知道这不能成为政治游戏的主题。”

  她表示,可以采取“合理”的措施来解决枪支暴力问题,包括所谓的红旗法,2022年的一项法律为实施该法提供了进一步的国家资金。

  但是,正如斯科特指出的那样,只有六个州使用了这笔资金。

  “这就是为什么这是一个挑战,”哈里斯说。“我认为他们需要一点动力,希望我们能够给他们带来动力。”

  最近几周,哈里斯和拜登总统在预计与前总统唐纳德·特朗普举行的大选复赛之前增加了旅行。但他们两人都尚未承诺就特朗普或他未来的竞选伙伴进行辩论。

  “我在和谁辩论?”哈里斯对斯科特说。

  “如果你将自己与另一种选择进行比较,而这确实是拜登竞选信息的关键所在,难道没有理由认为最好的方式是走上辩论舞台吗?”斯科特问哈里斯。

  “嗯,我们会在某个时候谈到这一点,但你是绝对正确的,”副总统说,“11月的选举是二元的。”
 

Harris says US has not ruled out 'consequences' if Israel invades Rafah

  In a wide-ranging new interview with ABC News, Vice President Kamala Harris suggested there could be "consequences" for Israel if itmoves ahead with a planned invasion of Rafahin its pursuit of Hamas fighters.

  The city, on Gaza's southern border with Egypt, is thought to currently have some 1.4 million people in it.

  According to the U.N., many Palestinians fled there from elsewhere in the territory amid the ongoing war, sparked by Hamas' Oct. 7 terror attack.

  "We have been clear in multiple conversations and in every way that any major military operation in Rafahwould be a huge mistake," Harris told ABC News' Senior Congressional Correspondent Rachel Scott in part of the interview that aired Sunday on "This Week."

  "Let me tell you something: I have studied the maps. There's nowhere for those folks to go," Harris said.

  Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said earlier this month he'd approved a plan to invade Rafah, an announcement that prompted President Joe Biden to relay what the White House called "deep concerns" about the safety of the many civilians sheltering in the city.

  Tens of thousands of people have died in Gaza so far, according to the Hamas-run health ministry there.

  Netanyahu has maintained that going into Rafah is necessary to dismantle Hamas in the wake of their attack; Israeli forces also insist they can move civilians out of the battlegrounds and toward "humanitarian islands" -- but the U.S., which is a major supporter of Israel's military, has sharply criticized the possibility of a large-scale incursion.

  Scott on Sunday pressed the vice president, asking if America would consider "consequences" if Netanyahu went forward -- something he said he was willing to do despite the opposition.

  "Well, we're going to take it one step at a time, but we've been very clear in terms of our perspective on whether or not that should happen," Harris said.

  Scott followed up: "Are you ruling out that there would be consequences from the United States?"

  "I am ruling out nothing," Harris replied.

  In the interview, Harris was also asked about Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer'scall for new elections in Israel, which Netanyahu decried as "wholly inappropriate" meddling in his country's politics.

  Biden has not echoed Schumer's position but did praise the senator's overall comments as a "good speech."

  Harris told Scott on "This Week" that "I will not speak for Sen. Schumer, but we are very clear that that is on the Israeli people to make a decision about when they will have an election and who, of course, they elect to lead their government. That's for them to say."

  Scott asked Harris if she thought Netanyahu was "an obstacle to peace," as Schumer had said.

  "I believe that we have got to continue to enforce what we know to be and should be the priorities in terms of what is happening in Gaza," Harris said without directly answering the question. "We've been very clear that far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed. We have been very clear that Israel and the Israeli people and Palestinians are entitled to an equal amount of security and dignity."

  Separately, addressing a domestic issue, Harris would not rule out executive action to tackle the high number of migrants at the southern border. The president has been considering tightening asylum restrictions, ABC News previously reported.

  Polling shows Bidengets low marks on immigration, which is a top issue for many Americans. Republicans have continued to hammer away at the president over the border.

  Though Harris maintained that Congress has the "immense power and authority and responsibility" to address it -- after conservative lawmakers recently failed to agree on a bipartisan immigration deal in the Senate -- she also said the Biden administration is going to do "what we can."

  "As of right now, is that executive action on the border still on the table?" Scott asked. "Can we see that?"

  Harris initially pointed back to Capitol Hill, saying, "That does not absolve the fact that the real fix is going to be when Congress acts."

  When Scott pressed again, the vice president said, "Yes, for consideration."

  The interview took place at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, the site of the Valentine's Day mass shooting in 2018 that killed 17 students and staff.

  Harris was visiting the school -- which remains an active crime scene -- with some of the victims' families.

  "What happened here six years ago is tragic by every measure," Harris told Scott.

  She later said it was "important" that she visited the school "to give witness to how [gun violence in America] affects real people."

  "We have to think of this as more than statistics and we certainly have to understand that we should have empathy that requires us to know this can't be the subject of political gamesmanship," the vice president said.

  She said there were "reasonable" measures that could be taken to tackle gun violence, including so-called red flag laws that a 2022 law provided further state funding to implement.

  But, as Scott noted, only six states have used that money.

  "That's why it's been a challenge," Harris said. "I'm gonna assume that they need a little motivation, and hopefully we've been able to bring it to them."

  Harris and President Biden have ramped up their travel in recent weeks ahead of an expected general election rematch with former President Donald Trump. But both of them have yet to commit to debating Trump or his future running mate.

  "Who am I debating?" Harris said to Scott.

  "If you're comparing yourself to the alternative, and that is really the crux of a lot of what the Biden campaign message is, isn't there a case to be made that the best way to do that is to get out on the debate stage?" Scott asked Harris.

  "Well, we'll get to that at some point, but you are absolutely right," the vice president said, "this election in November is binary."

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