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特朗普无意中听到“热麦克风”显然是在与印度尼西亚领导人谈生意

2025-10-15 10:28 -ABC  -  444232

  总统唐纳德·特朗普和印度尼西亚总统普拉博沃·苏比安托似乎是周一无意中听到的讨论似乎是特朗普家族的商业冒险,导致人们批评这破坏了白宫所说的总统公务和个人财富之间存在防火墙的说法。

  在交换过程中在现场摄像中特朗普在埃及的一次领导人聚会上发表讲话,称赞加沙停火计划,Subianto要求特朗普会见“埃里克”,想必是指总统的儿子埃里克·特朗普,他是特朗普集团的执行副总裁。

  “你会这么做吗?”特朗普回应。“他真是个好孩子。我会让埃里克打电话给你。”

  两位领导人似乎都没有意识到他们的谈话被麦克风接收到。音频很模糊,有时难以辨别。不清楚这两个人到底在讨论什么。

  白宫和特朗普组织都没有立即回应美国广播公司新闻的置评请求。过去,白宫官员曾表示,特朗普的资产由他的家人控制的信托公司持有,尽管他是总统,但他不参与家族的商业交易,以避免道德问题。

  白宫新闻秘书卡罗琳·莱维特告诉记者今年5月,“坦率地说,这个房间里的任何人都认为特朗普总统正在为自己的利益做任何事情,这是非常荒谬的。”

  的执行董事托尼·卡拉克(Tony Carrk)表示,批评者立即抓住了特朗普和苏比安托之间讨论的性质,称“特朗普总统和个人事务之间没有界限”负责任。美国,一个非盈利的政府监督机构。

  当Subianto在讲台后面接近特朗普时,交流开始了,特朗普刚刚在讲台上向世界领导人发表了讲话在镜头前,在媒体面前。第一个明白的话来自Subianto,他在要求与Eric会面之前,描述了一个“不安全,不安全”的地区。

  “我们将寻找一个更好的地方,”Subianto片刻后说。

  “我会让埃里克打电话给你,”特朗普回应道。

  “埃里克或唐,”苏比安托说,显然是指特朗普的儿子小唐纳德·特朗普,特朗普集团的另一位执行副总裁。

  在谈话中,苏比安托告诉特朗普,“顺便说一下,我也告诉了哈里,”可能指的是印度尼西亚房地产开发商陈明立,他与特朗普集团在该国的两个现有项目上都有合作。

  就在峰会召开前几天,Tanoesoedibjo发布了一个社交媒体上的视频促进丽都市的特朗普品牌房产,一个小镇雅加达南部,以其“惊人的景色”和“无与伦比的声望”而自豪Tanoesoedibjo的公司MNC Land也在发展过程巴厘岛另一处特朗普品牌的房产。

  MNC Land没有立即回应ABC News的置评请求。

  在分手前,特朗普在视频中告诉苏比安托:“你是个了不起的家伙。我会让他们中的一个打电话给你。我喜欢你告诉我这些。我们不需要那个。”

  据报道,印尼外长淡化了这次对话彭博.

  “他们是朋友,所以他们私下交谈是很自然的,”外交部长苏吉奥诺告诉记者。"如果有任何具体的需要跟进,我会被告知."

  Trump overheard on 'hot mic' apparently talking business with Indonesian leader

  PresidentDonald Trumpand Indonesian President Prabowo Subiantoappear to have beenoverheard on Monday discussing what seemed to be a Trump family business venture, leading to criticism that it undermines what the White House has said about a firewall existing between the president's official duties and his personal fortune.

  During the exchange, which took placeon a live camera feedshortly after Trump addressed a gathering of leaders in Egypt to laud theGaza ceasefire plan, Subianto asked Trump to meet with "Eric," presumably referring to Eric Trump, president's son who is the executive vice president of the Trump Organization.

  "Would you do that?" Trump responds. "He's such a good boy. I'll have Eric call you."

  Neither leader appeared to be aware that their conversation wasbeing picked up by a microphone. The audio is muffled and at times difficult to discern. It was not clear exactly what the two men were discussing.

  Neither the White House nor the Trump Organization immediately responded to a request for comment from ABC News. In the past, White House officials have said that Trump's assets are held in a trust controlled by his family, and that, while president, he has no role in the family's business dealings in order to avoid ethical concerns.

  White House press secretary Karoline Leavitttold reportersin May that it was "frankly ridiculous that anyone in this room would even suggest that President Trump is doing anything for his own benefit."

  Critics immediately leapt on the nature of the discussion between Trump and Subianto, saying that "there is no line between Trump presidential and personal business," according to Tony Carrk, the executive director ofAccountable.US, a nonprofit government watchdog.

  "The President is apparently using a foreign leader summit as a platform to smooth things over for his son's condo development ventures in Indonesia," Carrk said.

  The exchange began when Subianto approached Trump behind the lectern where he had just finished addressing world leaderson camera, in front of the media.The first intelligible words came from Subianto, who describes a region as "not safe, security-wise," before asking to meet with Eric.

  "We'll look for a better place," Subianto says moments later.

  "I'll have Eric call you," Trump responds.

  "Eric or Don," Subianto says, apparently referring to Trump's son Donald Trump Jr., another executive vice president at the Trump Organization.

  At one point during the conversation, Subianto tells Trump, "I told Hary, also, by the way," possibly referring to Hary Tanoesoedibjo, an Indonesian real estate developer who has partnered with the Trump Organization on both of its existing projects in the country.

  Just days before the summit, Tanoesoedibjo posted avideo on social mediapromoting theTrump-branded property in Lido City,a town justsouth of Jakarta, boasting of its "breathtaking views" and "unmatched prestige." Tanoesoedibjo's firm, MNC Land, is also in theprocess of developinganother Trump-branded property in Bali.

  MNC Land did not immediately respond to a request for comment from ABC News.

  Before parting ways, Trump, on the video feed, tells Subianto: "You're a fantastic guy. I'll have one of them call you. I like that you told me that. We don't need that."

  Indonesia's foreign minister downplayed the conversation, according toBloomberg.

  "They're friends, so it's natural for them to speak privately," Sugiono, the foreign minister, told reporters. "If there's anything specific that needs follow-up, I will be informed."

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