德克萨斯州共和党众议员迈克尔·麦克考尔周日表示,他将建议乌克兰不要签署该协议和平建议唐纳德·特朗普总统提出结束与俄罗斯的战争除非更多“铁定”的安全保证写进协议。
“否则,我不会建议乌克兰签署这项协议。他们不能像布达佩斯一样签署协议,然后允许俄罗斯再次入侵,”麦考尔告诉美国广播公司新闻的“本周”联合主播玛莎·拉达茨。
和谈仍在继续,美国官员周日在日内瓦会见了一个乌克兰代表团。
周四提交给基辅的最新提案,是由美国特使史蒂夫·威特科夫起草的,国务卿马尔科·卢比奥也参与了起草工作。但这是与莫斯科协调完成的,包括常见的情况作为存在这让乌克兰和欧洲担心这实际上是一种投降。
在这项提议中,乌克兰被要求做出的让步包括:将其军队人数限制在60万人人员,同意永远不加入北约,并迫使基辅放弃东部领土,包括尚未被俄罗斯占领的地区。
麦克考尔是众议院外交事务委员会的高级成员和前主席,他说,他认为特朗普的28点计划中有“灵活性”,周四是乌克兰总统弗拉基米尔·泽连斯基做出决定的最后期限,否则将面临失去美国支持的风险,以结束俄罗斯近四年的战争,这不应该是“要么接受,要么放弃”的局面。
“我认为有灵活性。我知道卢比奥说,在接下来的72小时内,我们都很清楚这件事是否会继续下去。“总是他说,总统,他认为这是一个愿景,但不是一个既定的协议。所以不应该是要么接受要么放弃。”
同样出现在“本周”节目中的民主党参议员马克·华纳称该计划“糟糕透顶”。
“我的反应是这太可怕了。相比之下,这将使尼维利·张伯伦在二战之外对希特勒的屈服看起来更强,”华纳称,该计划“几乎是俄罗斯的一系列谈话要点”。
“这将是一次彻底的投降,这就是为什么我认为你会听到来自国会、两党和人民的反击...感觉这是一个他们几乎完全从俄罗斯人那里拿来的计划,”华纳说。
参议院情报委员会的最高民主党人华纳说,他希望这仅仅是一个新的起点。
华纳说:“要将这一提议强加给他们,我认为正如泽连斯基所说,乌克兰的尊严与放弃一个伙伴相比,我希望总统不会太软弱,以至于试图将这一计划强加给乌克兰和我们的其他盟友。”“我认为总统正看到这个片面的计划在乌克兰人、欧洲人和他自己政党的国会议员的反对下彻底失败。我的希望是,他会回来,变得更理智一点。”
以下是麦考尔采访中的更多亮点:
论俄乌和平建议的前景
麦考尔当前位置这项协议似乎源自(特朗普特使史蒂夫)维特科夫与俄罗斯主权财富基金负责人(基里尔)德米特列夫的一次讨论。不清楚乌克兰或我们的欧洲盟友提供了多少投入。卢比奥在电话中确实说过,这是一份美国文件,其中有乌克兰和俄罗斯的意见。我认为,他们去日内瓦时,将会就这项交易的80%达成一致。问题将是20%真正难以谈判的项目。
在交易的感恩节截止日期
麦考尔:除了我还没谈过的俄罗斯方面,各方都认为这是一个持续的谈判过程,所以他们真的开始了。他们--白宫昨晚描述的方式是我们必须开始动笔,这样我们才能完成一些事情。我确实认为现在就做点什么符合乌克兰的最大利益,而不是一年后,俄罗斯的军事工业战争机器现在已经上升到对乌克兰来说非常困难的水平。
以下是华纳采访的更多亮点:
关于特朗普表示他将与委内瑞拉总统通话
Raddatz:特朗普表示,他将与委内瑞拉总统尼古拉斯·马杜罗通话。你认为这是个好主意吗?你能对他说什么?
华纳:我认为特朗普说,“我们将与任何人交谈”的想法是——我不会就此批评他。如果有办法把马杜罗赶下台。请记住,我们的政府和其他50个国家的政府,几乎所有的西欧国家,不承认马杜罗政府是合法的,但它不认为有组织的计划再次降临美国,只是没有我们在南美或中美洲的任何其他盟友,似乎不是正确的方法。
关于美国是否会对委内瑞拉开战
Raddatz:你认为他想和委内瑞拉开战吗?你觉得他想-
华纳:我不知道。我不知道。我认为他试图向马杜罗施加外部压力,但通过这种只针对美国的方式,再次没有任何迹象表明,我认为,即使在国会山的共和党人中,他的计划是什么,我也不确定这是执行外交政策的正确方式。你把委内瑞拉的不幸和抛弃乌克兰联系在一起,这不会让美国更安全,也肯定不会把美国放在第一位.
McCaul advises against Ukraine signing peace plan without 'ironclad' security guarantees
Republican Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, said Sunday he would advise against Ukraine signing thepeace proposalthat President Donald Trump has offered to end its war with Russiaunless more "ironclad" security guarantees are written into the agreement.
"Without that, I would not advise Ukraine to sign this. They can't sign an agreement like Budapest and then allow Russia to invade again," McCaul told ABC News' "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz.
Peace talks continue as American officials are meeting on Sunday with a Ukrainian delegation in Geneva.
The latest proposal, which was presented to Kyiv Thursday,was drafted by U.S. special envoy Steve Witkoff with input from Secretary of State Marco Rubio, according to the White House. But it was done in coordination with Moscow and includesconditions that are widely seenas beingin Russia’s favor, prompting concerns within Ukraine and Europe that it would effectively be a capitulation.
Among the concessions Ukraine is being asked to make in this proposal: limiting its military to 600,000personnel, agreeing to never join NATO, and forcing Kyiv to give up territory in the east, including areas not yet occupied by Russia.
McCaul, a top member and former chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee,said he believes there's "flexibility" in Trump's 28-point plan and that his Thursday deadline for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy to make a decision or risk losing American support to end Russia's nearly four-year war in shouldn't be a "take it or leave it" situation.
"I think there's flexibility. I do know that Rubio said within the next 72 hours, we all know a great deal about whether this goes forward or not," McCaul said. "It's always he who has stated, the president, that he sees this as a vision, but not a done deal. So it should not be take it or leave it."
Democratic Sen. Mark Warner, who also appeared on "This Week," called the plan "awful."
"My reaction is it's awful.It would make Neville Chamberlain's giving in to Hitler outside of World War II looks strong in comparison,"Warner said, arguing the plan is "almost a series of Russian talking points.
"This would be a complete capitulation and that's why I think you're hearing from Congress, both sides, people pushing back ... It feels like this was a plan that they took almost entirely from the Russians," Warner said.
Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, said he hopes this is merely a new starting point.
"To have this proposal forced upon them, I think as Zelenskyy said, Ukrainian dignity versus giving up a partner, I would hope the president would not be so weak as to try to force this plan on the Ukrainian and our other allies," Warner said. "I think the president is seeing this one-sided plan kind of blow up in his face with pushback from the Ukrainians, from the Europeans, from members of Congress of his own party. And my hope is, he’ll come back and be a bit more reasonable."
Here are more highlights from McCaul’s interview:
On the Russia-Ukraine peace proposal's prospects
McCaul: The inception of this agreement seems to have come from a [Trump special envoy Steve] Witkoff discussion with the Russian [Kirill] Dmitriev, who heads up the Russian sovereign wealth fund. It's unclear how much input was given by either Ukraine or our European allies. Rubio did say on the call that this is a United States document with input from Ukraine and from Russia. About 80% of this deal, I think, they're going to find agreement with as they go to Geneva. The problem is going to be the 20% of really tough items to negotiate.
On the deal's Thanksgiving deadline
McCaul:On all party sides, except the Russians I haven't talked to, is that this is an ongoing negotiation process, so they're really getting it started. What they -- the way the White House described it last night was we had to start putting this pen to paper so we could get something accomplished. I do think it's in Ukraine's best interest to get something done now, rather than a year later, the military industrial war machine of Russia has now risen to a level that is very difficult now for Ukraine.
Here are more highlights from Warner's interview:
On Trump saying he'll speak with Venezuela's president
Raddatz:Trump says he’ll be speaking with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro. Do you think that is a good idea? And what can you say to him?
Warner:I think the notion that Trump says, "We'll talk to anyone" I think that is -- I'm not going to critique him on that. If there's a way to push Maduro out. Remember, our government and 50 other governments, most all of Western Europe, don't -- don't recognize the Maduro government as legitimate, but it does not feel like there is an organized planning coming down again -- America-only without any of our other allies in South America or Central America again, seems not the right approach.
On whether U.S. will go to war with Venezuela
Raddatz:Do you think he wants to go to war with Venezuela? Do you think he wants to --
Warner:I don’t know. I don’t know.I think he is trying to put outside pressure on Maduro, but by doing it in this kind of America-only approach, again, without giving any sign to, I think, even in the Republicans on the Hill, what his plans are, I'm not sure is the right way to do foreign policy. You couple this Venezuela misadventure with this desertion of Ukraine and this is not making America safer and it's sure not putting America first.





