众议员亚当·金辛格(Adam Kinzinger)周日表示,他在国会的一些共和党同事“有可能”对1月6日国会大厦的袭击负责,但他补充说,他还没有准备好“走到那一步”,因为他想“让事实来决定。”
这位伊利诺伊州共和党人还透露,调查叛乱的委员会不排除向现任国会议员发出传票。
“在美国,没有人——国会议员、前总统、任何人——可以凌驾于法律之上,”金辛格告诉美国广播公司《本周》联合主播乔纳森·卡尔。
金辛格,谁宣布的今年10月,他不会寻求再次当选国会议员,是1月6日国会大厦事件后投票弹劾前总统唐纳德·特朗普的10名共和党人之一,也是在该委员会任职的两名共和党人之一。他说,如果他们认为有必要,委员会将传唤特朗普。
“任何人都不应该凌驾于法律之上,但我们也认识到,在这一点上,我们可以在没有他的情况下获得信息,显然,当你传唤前总统时,这伴随着一种,你知道,马戏团的环境,”金辛格说。“但如果我们需要他,我们会去做的。”
周二晚上,金辛格和共和党众议员利兹·切尼(Liz Cheney,R-Wyo)与众议院民主党人一起投票支持特朗普的前幕僚长马克·梅多斯藐视国会。梅多斯无视传票,在调查1月6日暴动的众议院特别委员会出庭作证。
投票前,委员会成员公布了袭击国会大厦期间发给梅多斯的短信,大声朗读了共和党议员、福克斯新闻频道知名人士和前总统儿子小唐纳德·特朗普的短信,恳求梅多斯让特朗普谴责暴徒。俄亥俄州共和党众议员吉姆·乔丹的办公室证实,他是向梅多斯透露信息的共和党议员之一。
这些新信息是梅多斯移交给委员会的大约9000份文件的一部分,之后他改变了方向,决定不配合调查。众议院此前投票认定特朗普盟友史蒂夫·班农藐视国会,无视1月6日委员会的传票。
金辛格说,他“不确定”梅多斯是否知道这些短信会有多有害,但他强调,鉴于委员会的法律权威,他别无选择。
“我会告诉你,是的,还有更多我们没有发布的文本,”他补充道。
在投票前的众议院辩论中,切尼强调了梅多斯证词的重要性。“梅多斯先生的证词将涉及本委员会面前的另一个关键问题。唐纳德·特朗普是否通过行动或不行动腐败地试图阻挠或阻碍国会清点选举人票的官方程序?”切尼说。
卡尔向金辛格施压,要求司法部根据委员会的调查结果提出刑事指控,因为阻挠国会的正式程序是犯罪行为。
“你是在传递一个信息,即司法部不仅应该起诉1月6日闯入大楼的人,还应该起诉唐纳德·特朗普本人,或者至少调查这种可能性?”卡尔问。
“我认为调查这种可能性是肯定的,”金辛格回应道。“我们的委员会比执法机构和DOJ获得的信息更多,因为我们有能力做到这一点。”
“我们得到的任何信息都将是公开记录,DOJ应该看一看,尤其是如果有刑事指控要提起,因为同样,大事情就像1月6日那样糟糕,真的没有什么能阻止另一件事情再次发生,”他补充说。“如果有人触犯了法律,那么我们必须传达这样一个信息:作为总统,你不是不可触及的——作为前总统,你不是不可触及的。”
参议院少数党领袖米奇·麦康奈尔。周四在接受采访时说频谱新闻采访他期待着看到1月6日委员会在调查中的发现,在他反对成立该委员会后,他实际上认可了该委员会的工作。麦康奈尔说:“我认为,他们正在寻找的东西是公众需要知道的东西。
“这不完全是众议院领袖凯文·麦卡锡所说的话,”卡尔指出,暗指众议院和参议院的两位共和党领袖对调查的看法不一致。
“对,”金辛格笑着回答。“听着,我的意思是——我必须告诉你,所以,你知道,说你想要米奇·麦康奈尔。他显然非常谨慎。我认为这是一个非常有力的声明,我对此表示赞赏。”
金辛格和切尼一起因在该委员会任职而面临强烈反对,他批评麦卡锡没有做类似的事情。
金辛格说:“另一方面,凯文·麦卡锡除了说唐纳德·特朗普可能是有史以来最伟大的总统之外,什么也没说。”。“我认为,凯文·麦卡锡本人让唐纳德·特朗普再次变得有意义,因为在1月6日左右的两周后,他回到了马拉加拉戈,用胳膊搂住他,拍下了那张照片,基本上向其他此时此刻相当安静的共和党人发出了信号,我们必须回到特朗普的火车上。”
“他对此负有责任,”他补充道。“我认为历史书不会善待他。”
Kinzinger: It's 'possible' some GOP colleagues are responsible for Jan. 6 attack
Rep. Adam Kinzinger said Sunday "it’s possible" some of his GOP colleagues in Congress are responsible for the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol but added he's not ready to "go to that point" yet, because he wants to "let the facts dictate it."
The Illinois Republican also revealed that the committee investigating the insurrection is not ruling out issuing subpoenas for sitting members of Congress.
"Nobody -- member of Congress, former president, nobody -- in America is above the law," Kinzinger told ABC "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl.
Kinzinger, whoannouncedin October he will not seek reelection to Congress, was one of 10 Republicans who voted to impeach former President Donald Trump following the events at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and is one of two Republicans serving on the committee. He said the committee would subpoena Trump if they determine it’s necessary.
"Nobody should be above the law, but we also recognize we can get the information without him at this point, and, obviously, when you subpoena the former president, that comes with a whole kind of, you know, circus environment," Kinzinger said. "But if we need him, we'll do it."
Kinzinger and Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., on Tuesday night joined Democrats in the House in voting to hold Trump’s former chief of staff, Mark Meadows, in contempt of Congress. Meadows defied a subpoena to appear for a deposition before the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection.
Prior to the vote, members of the committee unveiled text messages sent to Meadows during the attack on the Capitol, reading aloud texts from Republican lawmakers, Fox News personalities and the former president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., that implored Meadows to get Trump to denounce the rioters. Rep Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, was one of the GOP lawmakers whose texts to Meadows were revealed, his office confirmed.
The new messages were part of the approximately 9,000 documents Meadows turned over to the committee, before he reversed course and decided to not cooperate with the investigation. The House previously voted to hold Trump ally Steve Bannon in contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena by the Jan. 6 committee.
Kinzinger said he’s "not sure" whether Meadows knew how damaging the text messages would be, but emphasized he had no choice given the committee's legal authority.
"I will tell you, yes, there are more texts out there we haven’t released," he added.
During debate on the House floor before the vote, Cheney emphasized the importance of Meadows' testimony. "Mr. Meadows' testimony will bear on another key question before this committee. Did Donald Trump through action or inaction corruptly seek to obstruct or impede Congress' official proceedings to count electoral votes?" Cheney said.
Karl pressed Kinzinger on the possibility of the Justice Department filing criminal charges based on what the committee finds, given that it is a crime to obstruct the official proceedings of Congress.
"Are you sending a message that the Justice Department should be prosecuting not just those that broke into the building on Jan. 6, but should be prosecuting Donald Trump himself or at least investigating that possibility?" Karl asked.
"I think investigating that possibility, for sure," Kinzinger responded. "Our committee is getting more information than law enforcement agencies and DOJ, because we’ve had the power and the ability to get that done."
"Whatever information we get will be public record, and the DOJ should take a look, particularly if there's criminal charges to be filed, because again, the big thing is as bad as it was on Jan. 6, there's really nothing in place to stop another one from happening again," he added. "If somebody broke the law, it is so essential that we send the message that you are not untouchable as president -- you're not untouchable as a former president."
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said Thursday in aninterview with Spectrum Newshe looks forward to seeing what the Jan. 6 committee finds in its probe, effectively endorsing the work of the commission after he had opposed its creation. "I think that what they're seeking to find out is something that public needs to know," McConnell said.
"That's not exactly what Kevin McCarthy, the leader over there in the House, is saying," Karl pointed out, alluding to the fact that the two GOP leaders in the House and Senate have juxtaposing views toward the investigation.
"Right," Kinzinger replied, laughing. "Look, I mean -- I got to tell you, so, you know, say what you want about Mitch McConnell. He obviously holds his cards very close. I think that was a very powerful statement and I appreciate it."
Kinzinger, who along with Cheney has faced harsh backlash for sitting on the committee, criticized McCarthy for not doing something similar.
"Kevin McCarthy, on the other hand, has not said a word about anything, except for that Donald Trump is probably the greatest president to ever exist," Kinzinger said. "Kevin McCarthy himself I think made Donald Trump relevant again when two weeks after Jan. 6 or so, he went back down to Mar-a-Lago and brought him back to political life by putting his arm around him and taking that picture and basically sending the signal to the rest of the Republicans that were pretty quiet at this moment, that we got to get back on the Trump train."
"He bears responsibility for that," he added. "I don't think history books are going to be kind to him."