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JD Vance推动100万驱逐出境,为给予父母额外选票的想法辩护

2024-08-13 09:26 -ABC  -  351353

  共和党副总统候选人万斯(JD Vance)在接受《本周》(This Week)联合主播乔纳森·卡尔(Jonathan Karl)的广泛采访时,为自己过去对妇女和无子女家庭的评论、特朗普竞选团队驱逐无证移民的提议等进行了辩护,该节目将于周日上午完整播出。

  尽管最近几周随着副总统卡玛拉·哈里斯接管民主党候选人资格,竞选变得更加激烈,但这位俄亥俄州参议员强调,他和川普对赢得选举的机会“非常有信心”。

  “我认为我们会赢。我还认为,在选举剩下的时间里,我们必须尽可能努力说服美国人投我们的票,”万斯对卡尔说。“这就是游戏的名字。”

  万斯阐述“支持家庭”的观点

  这位参议员因多次对无子女的美国人发表评论而受到抨击,其中一次是在2021年7月接受福克斯新闻频道主持人塔克·卡尔森采访时,万斯将包括哈里斯在内的民主党领导人描述为“无子女的猫女士”

  在那次采访之前,万斯在一个保守团体——校际研究协会——的演讲中也建议有孩子的人应该有额外的投票权。

  万斯在演讲中说:“民主党人正在讨论给予16岁的人选举权,但让我们这样做吧。”。“让我们给这个国家的所有孩子投票,但让我们把这些投票的控制权交给那些孩子的父母。当你作为父母在这个国家去投票时,你应该有更多的权力。”

  万斯告诉卡尔,他的想法是一个“思想实验”,是对民主党允许年轻选民的提议的回应,而不是一种政策立场。

  “我后悔说了吗?坦率地说,我很遗憾媒体和卡玛拉·哈里斯竞选团队歪曲了我所说的话,”他说。“他们把这变成了我从未提出过的政策建议。……我说,我希望我们更加支持家庭,我确实希望我们更加支持家庭。”

  万斯补充说,“我认为国家应该变得更加支持家庭,这背后有一些政策立场。”他接着谈到了家庭面临的经济困难,列举了商品价格上涨、医疗费用上涨和其他费用。

  这位参议员说,他和特朗普有一个降低住房和食品成本的计划,但在采访中没有提供细节。

  特朗普上周在接受福克斯新闻频道采访时表示,他降低成本的解决方案是,“我们要钻探,宝贝,钻探。”

  特朗普还主张将更多关税和减税作为其经济政策的一部分。

  万斯回应大规模驱逐计划:“让我们从100万开始”

  参议员提出了持续的移民危机,并再次指责哈里斯和拜登政府的政策,如结束“留在墨西哥”。

  当被问及他和特朗普将如何实现他们宣布的大规模驱逐多达2000万移民的目标时——专家此前告诉美国广播公司新闻会是一场“噩梦”-万斯说他们将采取“循序渐进的方法”

  “我的意思是,你会挨家挨户敲门,向人们索要证件吗?你做什么,”卡尔问。

  “你从可以实现的开始,”万斯说。“我认为,如果你驱逐许多暴力犯罪分子,坦率地说,如果你让雇用非法劳工变得更加困难,从而降低美国工人的工资,我认为你在解决非法移民问题方面取得了很大进展。”

  “我认为人们关注的是如何驱逐1800万人,这很有趣。先说100万吧。这就是卡玛拉·哈里斯失败的地方。然后我们可以从那里开始,”万斯说。

  万斯同意特朗普的观点,即副总统人选对大多数选民来说并不重要

  上个月在芝加哥举行的全国黑人记者协会(National Association of Black Journalists)会议上接受采访时,就在特朗普宣布万斯为竞选伙伴后不久,当被问及万斯是否准备好在需要的情况下“在第一天”成为总统时,这位前总统令人惊讶。

  “你可以有一个在各方面都很出色的副总统,我认为JD是,我认为他们所有人都应该是,但你没有那样投票。你在为总统投票。特朗普说,“你要投票给我”,但没有提到万斯是否会在“第一天”准备好

  万斯在接受美国广播公司新闻采访时表示,他同意特朗普的观点。

  “他们投票给唐纳德·特朗普或卡玛拉·哈里斯,而不是JD或蒂姆·沃尔兹,”他说。“我也认为他是对的,这件事的政治意义并不那么大。”

  然而,万斯强调,他“绝对”肯定特朗普有信心在需要时担任总司令。

  “我认为他确实相信,因为他把这作为他审查过程的主要焦点,就是,‘如果,但愿不会,发生什么事情,我认为这个人能在第一天成为总统吗?是的,’”万斯说。

  万斯重复了关于蒂姆·沃尔兹政策的错误主张

  周五晚上,在蒙大拿州的一次集会上,特朗普对民主党副总统候选人蒂姆·瓦尔兹(Tim Walz)关于跨性别青年的政策进行了虚假宣传,指责明尼苏达州州长签署了“一项让该州绑架儿童以改变其性别的法律”。

  Walz已经签署了旨在保护跨性别者获得性别确认护理的权利的立法,这可以包括性别确认手术,也可以包括咨询和非手术医疗程序等服务,如激素治疗和青春期抑制剂。法律不允许特朗普所声称的。

  万斯说,他没有完全观看深夜集会,但在与卡尔的采访中重复了一些错误的说法,称沃尔兹“支持将孩子从父母身边带走,如果父母不同意变性的话。”

  他引用了沃尔兹最近在一次集会上的声明,指责共和党人没有“管好自己该死的事”。

  “管好你自己的事情的一个方法,乔恩,就是不要试图把我的孩子从我身边带走……如果我的世界观和你不同的话。”

  卡尔反驳道,称“绑架”的描述是“疯狂的”

  在其他州削减或禁止获得性别确认护理后,瓦尔兹于2023年4月签署的法律被共和党人误解了。

  明尼苏达州的法律保护来该州接受性别确认医疗保健的病人,即使病人居住的州这种保健是非法的。该法律还特别允许州法院在跨州儿童监护权纠纷中承担“临时紧急管辖权”,如果儿童无法获得性别确认护理,而在明尼苏达州可以获得。

  性少数群体+倡导组织OutFront的执行董事告诉《华盛顿邮报》根据法律,法院可以解决父母关于他们的孩子是否应该得到这种照顾的争议,但这不会导致反对这种照顾的父母失去对他们孩子的监护权。

  万斯回击曾与他共进晚餐的白人至上主义者特朗普,后者最近侮辱了他妻子的种族

  卡尔还问万斯,特朗普在2022年11月与白人民族主义者尼克·富恩特斯(Nick Fuentes)共进晚餐时,他的妻子乌莎(Usha)遭到了种族主义袭击。

  在最近的一次直播中,富恩特斯说,“什么样的男人会和一个叫乌莎的人结婚?显然,他不重视自己的种族身份。”

  “我对这些攻击我妻子的人的态度是,她很漂亮,很聪明。什么样的男人会娶乌莎?万斯在接受美国广播公司采访时这样评价他的妻子。“如果这些家伙想攻击我或者攻击我的观点、我的政策观点、或者我的人格,那就来攻击我。但是不要攻击我的妻子。你配不上她。”

  特朗普面对显著的反冲2022年11月,与富恩特斯和说唱歌手叶(前Kanye West)在佛罗里达州的Mar-a-Lago俱乐部共进晚餐。当时,特朗普说他不知道富恩特斯是谁,他是被叶带到晚宴上的。在一份专门给福克斯新闻频道数字公司的声明中,川普说,“我不知道他的观点是什么,他们没有在我们非常快的晚餐中表达出来,否则不会被接受。”

  但是这位前总统除此之外并没有谴责富恩特斯的白人民族主义观点,或者最近关于乌莎·万斯的评论。

  在采访中,万斯声称特朗普“发出了大量谴责”,并没有质疑前总统与富恩特斯的晚餐。

  “乔恩,我喜欢唐纳德·特朗普的一点是,他真的愿意和任何人交谈。但仅仅因为你和某人交谈并不意味着你赞同他们的观点,”万斯说,并补充说特朗普和他的家人一直很亲密友好。
 

JD Vance says mass deportations should 'start with 1 million,' defends 'thought experiment' giving parents extra votes

  Republican vice-presidential candidate JD Vance defended his past comments on women and families without children, the Trump campaign's proposals to deport undocumented immigrants and more in a wide-ranging interview with "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl, which airs in full on Sunday morning.

  Despite the race tightening in recent weeks as Vice President Kamala Harris has taken over the Democratic ticket, the Ohio senator emphasized that he and Trump are "extremely confident" in their chances of winning the election.

  "I think we're going to win. I also think that we have to work as hard as possible for the remainder of the election to try to persuade Americans to vote for us," Vance told Karl. "That's the name of the game."

  Vance elaborates on 'pro-family' views

  The senator has come under fire for repeated comments made about childless Americans, including one during an interview in July 2021 with then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson where Vance described leading Democrats including Harris as "childless cat ladies."

  In a speech before a conservative group, the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, which preceded that interview, Vance also suggested that people with children should have extra votes.

  "The Democrats are talking about giving the vote to 16-year-olds, but let's do this instead," Vance said in the speech. "Let's give votes to all children in this country, but let's give control over those votes to the parents of those children. When you go to the polls in this country as a parent, you should have more power."

  Vance told Karl his notion was a "thought experiment” in response to Democratic proposals to allow younger voters, and not a policy stance.

  "Do I regret saying it? I regret that the media and the Kamala Harris campaign has, frankly, distorted what I said," he said. "They turn this into a policy proposal that I never made. … I said, I want us to be more pro-family, and I do want us to be more pro-family."

  Vance added there are "policy positions behind my view that the country should become more pro-family." He went on to talk about the economic struggles that families are facing, citing the increased cost of goods, rising medical bills and other costs.

  The senator said that he and Trump have a plan to lower the cost of housing and food but didn't provide details during the interview.

  Trump said in an interview with Fox News last week that his solution to bringing down costs was, "We're gonna drill, baby, drill."

  Trump has also advocated for more tariffs and tax cuts as part of his economic policies.

  Vance responds to mass deportation plan: 'Let's start with 1 million'

  The senator brought up the ongoing migrant crisis and again blamed Harris and the Biden administration's policies, such as ending "Remain in Mexico."

  When asked how he and Trump would accomplish their stated goal of mass deporting as many as 20 million immigrants – a proposal experts previously told ABC Newswould be a "nightmare"-- Vance said they would take a "sequential approach."

  "I mean do you go knock on doors and ask people for their papers? What do you do," Karl asked.

  "You start with what's achievable," Vance said. "I think that if you deport a lot of violent criminals and frankly if you make it harder to hire illegal labor, which undercuts the wages of American workers, I think you go a lot of the way to solving the illegal immigration problem."

  "I think it's interesting that people focus on, well, how do you deport 18 million people? Let's start with 1 million. That's where Kamala Harris has failed. And then we can go from there," Vance said.

  Vance agrees with Trump that VP picks don't matter to most voters

  During an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists conference in Chicago last month, and just a short time after Trump announced Vance as his running mate, the former president raised some eyebrows when asked whether Vance would be ready to be president "on Day 1" if needed.

  "You can have a vice president who's outstanding in every way, and I think JD is, I think that all of them would've been, but you're not voting that way. You're voting for the president. You're voting for me," Trump said, without addressing whether Vance would be ready on "Day 1."

  In the interview with ABC News, Vance said he agreed with Trump's view.

  "They're voting for Donald Trump or for Kamala Harris, not for JD or Tim Walz," he said. "I also think that he's right that the politics of this really don't matter that much."

  However, Vance stressed he's "absolutely" sure Trump is confident he could step up as a commander in chief if needed.

  "What I think that he does believe because he made it the main focus of his vetting process, is, 'Do I think this person can be president on day one if, God forbid, something happens? Yes,'" Vance said.

  Vance repeats false claims about Tim Walz's policies

  During a rally in Montana on Friday night, Trump pushed falsehoods about Democratic vice presidential candidate Gov. Tim Walz's policies concerning transgender youth, accusing the Minnesota governor of signing "a law letting the state kidnap children to change their gender."

  Walz has signed legislation aimed at protecting the rights of transgender individuals to access gender-affirming care, which can include gender-affirming surgeries but also services like counseling and non-surgical medical procedures like hormone therapy and puberty suppressants. The law does not allow what Trump claimed.

  Vance said he didn't fully watch the late-night rally but repeated some of those false claims in the interview with Karl, saying Walz "supported taking children away from their parents if the parents don't consent to gender reassignment."

  He referenced Walz's recent statement at a rally accusing Republicans of not "minding their own damn business."

  "One way of minding your own damn business, Jon, is to not try to take my children away from me … if I have different world views than you."

  Karl pushed back, calling the "kidnapping" characterization "crazy."

  The April 2023 law that Walz signed in the wake of other states curtailing or banning access to gender-affirming care has been mischaracterized by Republicans.

  The Minnesota law protects patients who come to the state to receive gender-affirming health care, even if the patients live in a state where such care is illegal. The law also specifically allows the state's courts to assume "temporary emergency jurisdiction" in cross-state child custody disputes where a child has been unable to obtain gender-affirming care and is in Minnesota to do so.

  The executive director of LGBTQ+ advocacy group OutFront toldThe Washington Postthat under the law, courts can settle parental disputes over whether their child should get this care, but it doesn't result in the parent against such care losing custody of their child.

  Vance pushes back on white supremacist Trump once dined with who recently insulted his wife's race

  Karl also asked Vance about a racist attack targeting his wife, Usha, from white nationalist live-streamer, Nick Fuentes, who Trump dined with in November 2022.

  In a recent livestream, Fuentes said, "What kind of man marries somebody named Usha? Clearly, he doesn’t value his racial identity."

  "My attitude to these people attacking my wife is, she's beautiful, she's smart. What kind of man marries Usha? A very smart man and very lucky man," Vance said of his wife during the ABC News interview. "If these guys want to attack me or attack my views, my policy views, [or] my personality, come after me. But don't attack my wife. She's out of your league."

  Trump facedsignificant blowbackfor dining with Fuentes, along with rapper Ye (formerly Kanye West) back in November 2022 at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida. At the time, Trump said he did not know who Fuentes was and that he was brought to the dinner by Ye. In a statement given exclusively to Fox News Digital, Trump said, "I had no idea what his views were, and they weren’t expressed at the table in our very quick dinner, or it wouldn't have been accepted."

  But the former president has not denounced Fuentes' white nationalist views beyond that, or the recent comments about Usha Vance.

  In the interview, Vance contended Trump had "issued plenty of condemnations," and did not question the former president's dinner with Fuentes.

  "The one thing I like about Donald Trump, Jon, is that he actually will talk to anybody. But just because you talk to somebody doesn't mean you endorse their views," Vance said, adding that Trump has been close and friendly with his family.

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