上周，当出现在小唐纳德·特朗普的播客上时，当选总统的儿子问即将上任的“边境沙皇”汤姆·霍曼在特朗普新政府的第一天，公众可以期待看到什么样的边境和移民相关行动。
“震惊和敬畏，”霍曼回应道。“震惊和敬畏，”他笑着重复道。
在特朗普第一届政府期间担任移民和海关执法局代理局长的霍曼表示，他已经为这一时刻等待了两年多。
在去年的一次公开活动中，他讲述了2022年年中在拉斯维加斯吃饭时——前总统唐纳德·特朗普(Donald Trump)宣布竞选连任的几个月前——特朗普向霍曼透露，他将再次竞选白宫，并询问他是否可以指望霍曼和他一起回来。
据霍曼回忆，他告诉特朗普，“我告诉你，先生，我很生气，我会免费回来。”
自那以来的两年里，霍曼利用媒体露面、公共论坛甚至他发起的一个非营利慈善机构，来证明他回归特朗普在边境安全和移民执法方面的激进做法，经常挥舞个人故事、政府统计数据和无情的言辞，警告暴力犯罪分子、潜在恐怖分子和其他主要威胁正在越过边境。
根据霍曼的说法，当前的移民政策是“国家自杀”，乔·拜登总统是“叛国者”，而且“有事情要发生了”。霍曼的批评者称他的观点“残酷”和“冷酷”。
霍曼认为，他只是对边境安全充满热情，因为他在近四十年的边境巡逻特工和最高级别的ICE官员的经历。
“我很兴奋。我们已经在制定这些计划，”他上周在小特朗普的播客上说。
但霍曼说，特朗普新政府的边境努力和移民政策实际上会带来什么?
这里有一个全面的审视，看看霍曼的公开声明表明了他可能的计划，以及为什么-尽管他的诽谤者-他坚持这是正确的方法。
最大的驱逐出境
尽管过去一年人数开始放缓，但在拜登政府的领导下，与边境相关的关键数字飙升至创纪录水平，自拜登上任以来，西南边境共遭遇近900万名移民，据报道，超过200万名越境者被发现但从未被抓获，300多名移民在边境停下，其姓名与政府观察名单上的已知或疑似恐怖分子相符。
虽然霍曼已经承诺执行“的最大的驱逐行动他还承认，这项行动的广度很大程度上取决于国会为此提供多少资金。
随着共和党人即将控制众议院和参议院，新的特朗普政府可能有很大的灵活性来实施其操作。但是霍曼说，“这完全取决于我们得到的资源”，特别是因为一个更大的行动需要更多的官员和更多的拘留床来关押那些被驱逐出境的人。
“国会将不得不提供大量的拘留床位，”他说。
ICE目前的资金支持不到50，000个床位——尽管ICE长期以来依赖于私营拘留设施为了帮助安置移民，这项价值数百万美元的业务可能会在特朗普预期的执法扩张下增长。
霍曼说，移民局可能不得不拘留一些移民长达数周。
“人们不明白的是，我们不能就这样把他们送上飞机，”他说。“我们必须经历一个过程。你必须联系这个国家，他们必须同意接受他们，然后他们必须给你发旅行证件。这需要几天到几周的时间。所以我们需要拘留资产。”
为了提高移民与海关执法局的级别，霍曼建议政府可以从其他机构抽调官员来协助。最近几天，特朗普表示，他将通过宣布国家紧急状态来寻求美国军方的帮助，尽管特朗普没有提供任何细节。在过去，国民警卫队成员被部署到边境，以帮助监视或行政任务-而不是逮捕。
“底线是:汤姆·霍曼能在一年内转移1000万人吗?不，我不会对你撒谎，”霍曼去年在一个播客上说。“但我们会出去寻找它们，当我们找到它们时，就把它们移除。”
霍曼承诺采取“有针对性”的方法，首先优先考虑已知或可疑的国家安全威胁、已经被当地执法部门拘留的有犯罪历史的移民以及已经被联邦法官下令驱逐的“逃犯”。
霍曼周一出现在福克斯新闻频道，他说他将前往特朗普的Mar-a-Lago庄园本周晚些时候“对计划进行最后的润色”
霍曼此前曾发誓，无论他们最终做什么，都将是“人道的”
“我们可以这样做对吗...因为我们不能失去美国人民的信任，”他说。
霍曼还表示，特朗普政府必须完成沿西南边境修建隔离墙的工作，并必须向所谓的“庇护城市”施压，以帮助标记他们关押的犯罪移民。
儿童分离'需要考虑'
霍曼强烈反对他在第一届特朗普政府期间创造了一项极具争议的政策，该政策使成千上万的儿童与父母分离，当时他是ICE的代理主任。
然而，他已经公开表示支持它，在选举前告诉CBS新闻，儿童分离“绝对需要考虑。”
2018年4月，当第一届特朗普政府仍在制定其对非法移民的“零容忍”方针时，霍曼和其他机构的两名同行签署了一份备忘录，建议除其他潜在措施外，特朗普政府应认真考虑起诉非法越境的“所有有责任心的成年人”，包括与家人一起越境的父母。
备忘录称:“(它)可能会产生最有效的影响。”。
接下来的一个月，时任司法部长杰夫·赛辛斯在圣地亚哥召开新闻发布会，公开宣布非法携带子女越境的父母将被起诉并与子女分离，霍曼告诉记者，他的部门与塞申斯“肩并肩”。
然而，在同一场新闻发布会上，霍曼对特朗普政府“创造了新政策”的说法提出了质疑。
“这一直是政策，”他说。“这个国家的每一个执法机构在父母因犯罪被捕时都会把他们和孩子分开。...那个孩子不能进美国监狱。”
“政策保持不变，只是会有更多我们一直在做的事情，”他说。
司法部监察长随后的一份报告得出结论，塞申斯“是DHS决定开始将家庭单位成年人提交起诉的驱动力”，他推动的事情改变了至少可以追溯到1992年的“DHS惯例”。
2018年仅两个月，就有3000多名儿童与家人分离，“儿童与父母团聚的问题仍然存在，”这份报告于2021年1月发布，距离“零容忍”政策实施近三年。
这项政策在国际上引发了轩然大波，一些最强烈的批评者称，这相当于“以美国人民的名义实施的酷刑”。媒体报道记录了从父母身边被带走的孩子所遭受的创伤。在这样的压力下，时任总统特朗普最终扭转了这一政策。
霍曼在他2020年的回忆录中写道，尽管特朗普政府的做法引发了“尖叫”，“在零容忍政策实际执行的几周内，格兰德河流域的非法越境下降了20%以上。”
“有多少妇女被从剥削中解救出来?有多少孩子没有被狼虐待或杀害?我们阻止了多少坏人进入我们的社区?我们永远不会知道确切的数字，但我们有所作为，”霍曼写道。
上个月，哥伦比亚广播公司新闻频道(CBS News)问及特朗普下一届政府是否会发生家庭分离，霍曼说，避免这种情况的一种方法是驱逐儿童和他们的父母——“家庭可以一起被驱逐出境，”他说。
结束'抓放'
到特朗普2017年上任时，政府拘留移民的能力有限，这使得美国当局在等待法官审理他们的案件时释放要求庇护的非暴力越境人员成为常见做法-这种做法被称为“抓了放了”。
但移民法庭法官的短缺导致案件积压，这意味着在被释放后，庇护案件可能需要数年才能解决，无法保证移民在败诉后会真正出庭或自愿离开。
虽然第一届特朗普政府采取措施限制“捕捉和释放”，但这种做法在拜登政府下有所扩大，因为它面临着前所未有的移民涌入。
“结束抓捕和释放，这需要在第一天发生，”霍曼上周在谈到特朗普的第二个任期时说。“因为如果你结束‘抓了又放’，他们就不会来了。”
为了说明移民是如何利用这种做法的，霍曼经常指出政府数据显示，正如他所说，“近十分之九的人从未从美国法院获得救济，因为他们没有资格”获得庇护。他说，10个寻求庇护者中有9个在“犯欺诈罪”。
但统计数据是复杂的:它们并没有显示10分之9的法庭庇护申请被拒绝，而是显示相当大一部分庇护申请从未正式提交申请、被放弃或因其他不明原因在法庭上被搁置。在拜登政府的领导下，实际上法庭批准的庇护申请比明确拒绝的要多。
然而，霍曼长期以来一直表示，任何有合法庇护申请的人都不应该试图穿过沙漠或河流进入美国——他们应该去官方的入境口岸。
“如果你有明确的庇护申请，去你安全的入境口岸，”他在2018年5月在圣地亚哥举行的新闻发布会上说。“这不仅仅是关于执法，这是关于拯救生命。”
根据霍曼的说法，结束“抓捕和释放”的一部分是恢复特朗普第一届政府推出的“留在墨西哥”计划，该计划在庇护案件悬而未决时阻止西南边境的寻求庇护者进入美国。
在小特朗普上周的播客上，霍曼说，他认为推动移民停止到来，“所以‘留在墨西哥’计划必须重新到位。”
结束与生俱来公民权和'连锁迁移'
在去年的一段竞选视频中，特朗普表示，“在我新任期的第一天”，他将结束法院支持的出生公民权传统，几个世纪以来，无论父母的身份如何，任何在美国出生的人都会自动获得美国公民身份。
特朗普表示，这种做法源于宪法第十四修正案的“历史神话和故意曲解”，该修正案规定，“所有在美国出生或归化并受其管辖的人都是美国公民。”
“作为我确保边境安全计划的一部分，”特朗普在竞选视频中说，“我将签署一项行政命令，向联邦机构明确表示，根据对法律的正确解释，非法外国人的未来子女不会自动获得美国公民身份。”
“我的政策将扼杀继续非法移民的主要动力，”他补充说。
霍曼附和了这种观点，去年在一个播客上说，“我们要让总统做的一件事是...[是]结束与生俱来的公民权。”
霍曼和特朗普都表示，取消出生公民权也将结束所谓的“生育旅游”，即来自海外的孕妇前往美国，以便她们能够在美国土地上分娩，并确保她们的新生儿获得美国公民身份。
在他的竞选视频中，特朗普表示，他的第一天行政命令将结束这种“不公平的做法”，并根据他的说法，父母会“越线为自己和家人获得绿卡”，这是被称为“连锁移民”的做法的一部分。
在他2020年出版的名为《保卫边境，拯救生命》的书中，霍曼说“连锁移民”导致“合法移民的不可控增长”。但他支持配偶和子女的“连锁迁移”，他写道，“家庭是我们社会的基石，我们必须支持保持这一单位完整的政策。”
在去年的竞选视频中，特朗普表示，他的行政命令将规定，美国公民子女的父母至少有一人必须是公民或合法永久居民，才能让家庭其他成员有资格获得移民福利。
“工地作业必须进行”
霍曼方法的一部分是首先阻止雇主雇佣非法移民。
最近在福克斯新闻频道露面时，他说“工地作业必须发生”，特别是因为——据他说——在目标工地发现的这么多非法移民要么是被拐卖的，要么是被迫劳动的。
但他也表示，应该依法要求雇主使用E-Verify，这是一个美国政府的在线系统，使雇主能够确认其员工的就业资格。
所有联邦承包商和供应商都被要求使用它，一些州要求州内的每个雇主都使用它-但在全国范围内，E-Verify仍然是一个很大程度上自愿的项目。
正如霍曼所描述的，该系统的广泛使用将有助于减少非法移民的一个重要驱动因素，使无证移民更难找到工作。“我们必须建立E-Verify，这样他们就不能那么容易找到工作，”他去年在一个播客上说。
霍曼已经认识到，美国经济的关键领域，如农业、建筑和肉类加工，往往依赖于无证工人——“但这是一个不执行我们法律的愚蠢理由，”他在2020年的书中写道。
尽管如此，霍曼说，美国政府在执行移民法的同时，也应该扩大现有的项目或建立新的项目，允许更多的移民在美国临时工作
“如果这里有我们需要这些人的工作，那么就创建一个项目，并合法地引进他们，”他上周在纽约沃特敦告诉WWNY-TV。“这样他们就不会付钱给犯罪集团，也不会游过这条河。…比起非法入境，我更喜欢这样，因为这样做很危险。”
“大笔一挥”边境安全
随着霍曼计划在特朗普新政府的第一天开始工作，几位知情人士告诉美国广播公司新闻，行政命令将是这一方法的重要组成部分。
“如果你想确保边境安全，就像特朗普总统那样大笔一挥，”霍曼今年早些时候在一个播客上说，他指的是特朗普第一个任期内采取的行政行动。
至少霍曼提倡的一些措施可以通过行政命令来推进。
在2月份的一次播客中，霍曼表示，他还“将推动”一项行政命令或新的立法，“明确”禁止不服从法官驱逐令的人获得任何形式的未来合法移民身份。
霍曼说:“如果经过正当程序后，你被联邦法官下令驱逐，而你没有离开，你将永远没有资格获得另一项移民福利。”他补充说，该提案甚至可能禁止他们获得旅游签证。
这位前ICE官员说，“如果这真的生效，很多人会自己离开，因为他们中的很多人都有美国公民的孩子，”他们不想排除有一天能够回到美国的可能性。
“未来几周会有大事发生，”霍曼上周在X上写道。
'Shock and awe': What Trump 'border czar' Tom Homan has said he plans to do starting on Day 1
Last week, while appearing on Donald Trump Jr.'s podcast, the president-elect's son asked incoming"border czar" Tom Homanwhat border and immigration-related action the public can expect to see on Day 1 of the new Trump administration.
"Shock and awe," Homan responded. "Shock and awe," he repeated with a smile.
Homan, who served as the acting head of Immigration and Customs Enforcement during the first Trump administration, has suggested he's been waiting more than two years for this moment.
At a public event last year, he recounted how, over dinner in Las Vegas in the middle of 2022 -- several months before former President Donald Trump announced his reelection bid -- Trump confided in Homan that he was going to run for the White House again and asked if he could count on Homan to return with him.
As Homan recalled, he told Trump, "I'll tell you what, sir, I'm so pissed off I'll come back for free."
In the two years since then, Homan has used media appearances, public forums and even a nonprofit charity he launched to make his case for a return to Trump's aggressive approach to border security and immigration enforcement, often wielding personal stories, government statistics and merciless rhetoric to warn that violent criminals, potential terrorists and other major threats are streaming across the border.
According to Homan, current immigration policies are "national suicide," President Joe Biden is "treasonous," and "something is coming." Homan's critics have called his views "cruel" and "cold."
As Homan sees it, he's simply passionate about border security because of everything he's experienced in his nearly four decades as a Border Patrol agent and top-level ICE official.
"I'm excited. We're already working on these plans," he said on Trump Jr.'s podcast last week.
But what has Homan said the new Trump administration's border efforts and immigration policy will actually entail?
Here's a comprehensive look at what Homan's public statements have indicated about his possible plans, and why -- despite his detractors -- he insists it's the right approach.
'The biggest deportation'
Though numbers started to slow this past year, under the Biden administration, key border-related numbers surged to record levels, with nearly 9 million migrant encounters along the southwest border since Biden took office, more than 2 million more border-crossers reportedly detected but never captured, and more than 300 migrants stopped at the border with names matching known or suspected terrorists on a government watchlist.
While Homan has promised to execute "thebiggest deportation operationthis country has ever seen," he has also acknowledged the breadth of that operation largely depends on how much money Congress provides for it.
With Republicans about to control both the House and Senate, the new Trump administration could have significant flexibility to conduct its operation. But "it all depends on the resources we're given," especially because a bigger operation needs more officers and more detention beds for those being deported, Homan has said.
"Congress is going to have to give a massive amount of detention beds," he said.
ICE's current funding allows for less than 50,000 beds -- and though ICE has long relied onprivately-run detention facilitiesto help house migrants, that multimillion-dollar business could grow under Trump's expected enforcement expansion.
Homan has said ICE may have to detain some migrants for as long as several weeks.
"What people don't understand is we can't just put [them on] a plane," he said. "There's a process we have to go through. You have to contact the country, they have to agree to accept them, then they got to send you travel documents. And that takes several days to several weeks. So we need detention assets."
To boost ICE's ranks, Homan has suggested the administration could move officers from other agencies to assist. And in recent days, Trump has indicated he will seek help from the U.S. military by declaring a national emergency, though Trump did not offer any details. In the past, members of the National Guard have been deployed to the border to help with surveillance or administrative tasks -- not to make arrests.
"The bottom line is: Can Tom Homan remove 10 million people in a year? No. I'm not going to lie to you," Homan said on a podcast last year. "But we're going to be out there looking for them [and] when we find them, remove them."
Homan has promised a "targeted" approach, at first prioritizing known or suspected national security threats, migrants with criminal histories who are already detained by local law enforcement, and "fugitives" who were already ordered removed by a federal judge.
Appearing on Fox News on Monday, Homan said he's traveling toTrump's Mar-a-Lago estatelater this week "to put the final touches on the plan.”
Homan has previously vowed whatever they ultimately do will be "humane."
"We can do this right ... because we can't lose the faith of the American people," he said.
Homan has also said that the Trump administration must finish building the wall along the southwest border and must pressure so-called "sanctuary cities" to help flag criminal migrants in their custody.
Child separation 'needs to be considered'
Homan has strongly disputed claims that he created the highly controversial policy that separated thousands of children from their parents during the first Trump administration, when he was acting ICE director.
However, he has publicly expressed support for it, telling CBS News in the run-up to the election that child separation "needs to be considered, absolutely."
In April 2018, when the first Trump administration was still developing its "zero tolerance" approach to illegal immigration, Homan and two counterparts in other agencies signed a memo recommending that, among other potential measures, the Trump administration should seriously consider prosecuting "all amenable adults" crossing the border illegally, including parents crossing with their families.
"[It] would likely have the most effective impact," the memo said.
The next month, when then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions held a press conference in San Diego to publicly declare that parents who unlawfully brought their children across the border would be prosecuted and separated from their children, Homan told reporters that his department "stands shoulder to shoulder" with Sessions.
However, at the same press conference, Homan disputed that the Trump administration had "created new policy."
"This has always been the policy," he said. "Every law enforcement agency in this country separates parents from their children when they're arrested for a crime. ... That child can't go into a U.S. [jail]."
"The policy remains the same, there's just going to be more of what we've been doing," he said.
A subsequent report from the Justice Department's inspector general concluded that Sessions "was a driving force in the DHS decision to begin referring family unit adults for prosecution," and that what he pushed created a change in "DHS practice" dating back to at least 1992.
Over just two months in 2018, more than 3,000 children were separated from their families, "and issues regarding reuniting children with a parent remain," said the report, issued in January 2021, nearly three years after the "zero tolerance" policy was implemented.
The policy sparked an international uproar, with some of its most ardent critics saying it amounted to "torture carried out in the name of the American people." Media reports captured the trauma suffered by children who were taken from their parents. Under such pressure, then-President Trump ultimately reversed the policy.
In his 2020 memoir, Homan wrote that despite "the screaming" over the Trump administration's approach, "during the few weeks the zero-tolerance policy was actually enforced, illegal crossings at the Rio Grande Valley went down over 20 percent."
"How many women were saved from exploitation? How many kids were not abused or killed by coyotes? How many bad guys did we prevent from entering our communities? We'll never know the exact number, but we made a difference," Homan wrote.
Pressed by CBS News last month about whether family separations will happen under Trump's next administration, Homan said one way to avoid them is to deport children and their parents -- "Families can be deported together," he said.
End 'catch and release'
By the time Trump took office in 2017, the government's limited capacity to detain migrants made it common practice for U.S. authorities to release nonviolent border-crossers claiming asylum into the United States while they waited for their cases to be heard by a judge -- a practice that has become known as "catch and release."
But a backlog of cases, driven by a shortage of immigration court judges, has meant that after being released, asylum cases can take years to resolve, with no guarantee that migrants will actually show up in court or leave voluntarily if they lose their cases.
While the first Trump administration took steps to limit "catch and release," the practice has expanded under the Biden administration as it's faced an unprecedented influx of migrants.
"End catch and release, that needs to happen Day One," Homan said last week of Trump's second term. "Because if you end 'catch and release,' they'll stop coming."
To illustrate how migrants are exploiting the practice, Homan has often pointed to government data showing that, as he puts it, "nearly nine out of ten never get relief from the U.S. courts because they don't qualify" for asylum. He has said those nine out of 10 asylum-seekers are "committing fraud."
But the statistics are complicated: Instead of showing that nine out of 10 asylum claims in court are denied, they show that a significant portion of asylum claims are never formally filed with an application, are abandoned, or are derailed in court for other unclear reasons. Under the Biden administration, more asylum claims have actually been granted in court than explicitly denied.
Nevertheless, Homan has long said that anyone with a legitimate claim of asylum shouldn't try to enter the country through a desert or across a river -- they should go to an official port of entry.
"If you have a clear claim to asylum, go to the port of entry where you're safe," he said at the May 2018 press conference in San Diego. "This isn't just about law enforcement, this is about saving lives."
According to Homan, part of ending "catch and release" is reinstating the "Remain in Mexico" program launched under the first Trump administration, which blocked asylum seekers on the southwest border from entering the United States while their asylum cases were pending.
On Trump Jr.'s podcast last week, Homan said he believes that pushed migrants to stop coming, "and so the 'Remain in Mexico' program has to be put back in place."
End birthright citizenship and 'chain migration'
In a campaign video last year, Trump said that "on Day 1 of my new term in office," he will end the court-backed tradition of birthright citizenship, which for centuries has automatically bestowed U.S. citizenship to anyone born inside the United States, regardless of their parents' status.
Trump suggested the practice stems from "a historical myth and a willful misinterpretation" of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which states that, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States."
"As part of my plan to secure the border," Trump said in the campaign video, "I will sign an executive order making clear to federal agencies that under the correct interpretation of the law, going forward the future children of illegal aliens will not receive automatic U.S. citizenship."
"My policy will choke off a major incentive for continued illegal immigration," he added.
Homan has echoed that sentiment, saying on a podcast last year, "One thing that we're going to have this president do ... [is] end birthright citizenship."
Both Homan and Trump have said ending birthright citizenship will also put an end to so-called "birth tourism," when pregnant women from overseas travel to the United States so they can give birth on U.S. soil and ensure their new child is granted U.S. citizenship.
In his campaign video, Trump said his Day 1 executive order will end that "unfair practice" and, according to him, its abuse by parents who then "jump the line and get green cards for themselves and their family members" -- part of a practice known as "chain migration."
In his 2020 book, entitled "Defend the Border and Save Lives," Homan said "chain migration" leads to an "uncontrollable increase in legal immigration." But he supported "chain migration" for spouses and children, writing, "The family household is the building block of our society, and we must support policies that keep this unit intact."
In last year's campaign video, Trump said his executive order will stipulate that at least one parent of a U.S. citizen child will have to be a citizen or legal permanent resident themselves in order for the rest of the family to qualify for immigration benefits.
'Worksite operations have to happen'
Part of Homan's approach is to discourage employers from hiring undocumented immigrants in the first place.
During a recent appearance on Fox News, he said "worksite operations have to happen," particularly because -- according to him -- so many undocumented immigrants found at targeted worksites were either sex-trafficked or forced into labor.
But he has also said that employers should be legally required to use E-Verify, an online U.S. government system that enables employers to confirm the employment eligibility of their employees.
All federal contractors and vendors are required to use it, and several states require every employer within the state to use it -- but across the country E-Verify is still a largely voluntary program.
As Homan describes it, broader usage of the system would help diminish a significant driver of illegal migration by making it harder for undocumented immigrants to find work. "We got to establish E-Verify so they can't get a job as easy," he said on a podcast last year.
Homan has recognized that critical parts of the U.S. economy like farming, construction and meatpacking often rely on undocumented workers -- "but that's a stupid reason not to enforce our laws," he wrote in his 2020 book.
Nevertheless, Homan has said that the U.S. government -- while still enforcing immigration laws -- should also expand current programs or establish new ones that would allow more immigrants to work inside the country temporarily
"If there are jobs up here that we need these people for, then create a program, and bring them in legally," he told WWNY-TV in Watertown, New York, last week. "That way they're not paying the criminal cartels, they're not swimming across the river. … I much prefer that than people entering illegally, because it's a dangerous thing to do."
Border security 'with the stroke of a pen'
As Homan makes plans to get to work on Day 1 of a new Trump administration, several sources familiar with the matter have told ABC News that executive orders will be a substantial part of the approach.
"If you want to secure the border, do it with the stroke of a pen, just like President Trump did," Homan said on a podcast earlier this year, referring to executive actions taken in Trump's first term.
At least some of the measures Homan has advocated could be advanced through executive orders.
On a podcast in February, Homan said he's also "going to push" for either an executive order or new legislation that "clearly" bans someone who disobeys a judge's deportation order from ever receiving any form of future legal immigration status.
"If after due process you've been ordered removed by a federal judge, and you don't leave, you will never qualify for another immigration benefit the rest of your life," Homan said -- adding that the proposal could even ban them from getting a tourist visa.
"If that was actually in effect, a lot of people would leave on their own because many of them have U.S. citizen children," and they don't want to rule out being able to return to the United States someday, the former ICE official said.
"Big things are coming in the weeks ahead," Homan wrote on X this past week.
