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格雷厄姆说,现在判断伊朗是否已经放弃核野心还为时过早

2025-06-30 09:25 -ABC  -  193030

  参议员林赛·格雷厄姆(Lindsey Graham)表示,在美国打击该国关键核设施后,伊朗是否已经放弃了核野心,“现在下结论还为时过早”,但特朗普的盟友表示,他认为该政权仍然“渴望”制造核武器。

  星期五,总统唐纳德·特朗普似乎对伊朗恢复其铀浓缩计划的可能性不屑一顾,他告诉记者,“他们现在最不想的就是浓缩铀。”

  当被《本周》节目主持人乔纳森·卡尔问到这些评论以及伊朗是否已经放弃“成为核国家的野心”时,格雷厄姆说,“现在下结论还为时过早”。我确实同意这三个网站被抹杀了。”

  但是,这位南卡罗来纳州的共和党人认为,虽然伊朗“已经完成了浓缩计划”,但该政权“还没有想摧毁以色列或试图追杀我们。”

  “午夜之锤行动是一次巨大的军事胜利。我想,这让这个项目倒退了几年,”格雷厄姆说。“但对世界来说,问题是朝鲜政权是否仍想制造核武器?答案是肯定的。难道他们还想毁灭以色列,跟在我们后面吗?答案是肯定的。在这种情况改变之前,我们必须保持我们的——我们有麻烦了。”

  特朗普暗示,可能会在不久的某个时候与伊朗人会面。格雷厄姆说,他认为伊朗必须在举行任何此类会议之前公开申明以色列的主权。

  “坐下来谈判的要求是:他们必须第一次对伊朗政权说,‘我们承认以色列的生存权。我们不喜欢这个国家,我们不喜欢他们的所作所为,但我们承认以色列作为一个民族有生存的权利,”格雷厄姆说。“如果他们不能这么说,你将永远得不到一笔有价值的交易。所以,在你和伊朗人坐下来谈之前,让他们第一次公开说,‘以色列有存在的权利’,他们不能这么说,这就告诉你,你需要知道你在和谁打交道。”

  格雷厄姆说,特朗普告诉他,在俄罗斯制裁法案上“是时候采取行动了”

  格雷姆:那么这个法案有什么作用呢?如果你从俄罗斯购买产品,而你没有帮助乌克兰,那么对你进入美国的产品征收500%的关税。印度和中国购买普京70%的石油。他们让他的战争机器继续运转。我的法案有84个共同提案国。它将允许总统对中国、印度和其他国家征收关税,让他们——阻止他们支持普京的战争机器,让他第一次坐到谈判桌前,总统昨天告诉我——

  卡尔你和他一起打高尔夫。

  格雷姆是的,我和他一起打高尔夫球。他说,“是时候动了,动动你的账单。”总统先生,法案中有弃权条款,你负责决定是否实施。但我们要给特朗普总统工具箱里一个他今天没有的工具。七月假期后,我们将通过一项法案,允许总统-

  卡尔:他会签字吗?

  格雷姆是的,我认为我们的情况很好,但是他有弃权书。如何实施由他决定,但我们正努力让普京坐到谈判桌前。

  关于最高法院关于禁令的决定:“挑选法官的行为必须停止。”

  格雷姆所以裁决是,一个法官不能阻止整个国家的政策——这超出了联邦地区法院法官的权限。你仍然有司法审查,但它必须向上链。一个法官不能阻止整个国家的项目。这是件好事,因为人们会去购物。右派会去评判-

  卡尔我的意思是,你会去法官购物。

  格雷姆每个人都去买法官!

  卡尔字体我已经长大了,还记得你们都支持奥巴马时期的DAPA禁令(针对美国人父母和合法永久居民的延期诉讼)。

  格雷姆:完全!我的意思是-我在这里说,法官-购物需要停止。我们需要一个系统,在这个系统中,如果你要为国家制定政策,这要在一个比单一的左派或右派法官更高的层次上进行。

  关于特朗普攻击共和党参议员托姆·蒂利斯

  卡尔当前位置总统昨晚发表了一篇反对蒂利斯的长篇大论,说他将会见初选挑战者,说他在这一切上哗众取宠。你对此有什么看法?是哗众取宠吗?

  格雷姆:我一直是受害者(笑)。

  卡尔:是的,你有。

  格雷姆:他拼命跑,他能原谅。我们正在努力做应该做和必须做的困难的事情。我们负债37万亿美元。医疗补助在五年内增长了50%。它即将接管医疗保险。我们(在该法案中)所做的是在两年内将增长率限制在6%,之后是4%,因此医疗补助不会被削减。

  'Too early to tell' if Iran has given up its nuclear ambitions: Sen. Lindsey Graham

  Sen. Lindsey Graham said it's "too early to tell" if Iran has given up its nuclear ambitions following U.S. strikes against key nuclear facilities in the country, but the Trump ally said he believes it's still the regime's "desire" to make a nuclear weapon.

  On Friday, PresidentDonald Trumpseemed to dismiss the potential for Iran to resume its enrichment program, telling reporters, "The last thing they're thinking about right now is enriched uranium."

  Pressed by "This Week" co-anchor Jonathan Karl about those comments and whether Iran has given up its "ambitions to be a nuclear power," Graham said, "Too early to tell. I do agree that the three sites were obliterated."

  But, the South Carolina Republican argued that while Iran is "done with that enrichment program," the regime is "not done wanting to destroy Israel or trying to come after us."

  "Operation Midnight Hammer was a tremendous military success. It set the program back, I think, a couple years," Graham said. "But the question for the world, does the regime still desire to make a nuclear weapon? The answer is yes. Do they still desire to destroy Israel and come after us? The answer is yes. Until that changes, we've got to keep our -- we're in trouble."

  Trump has suggested there may be a meeting with the Iranians at some point soon. Graham said he believes Iran must publicly affirm Israel's sovereignty before any such meeting should occur.

  "Here's the requirement to sit down and talk: They have to say, for the first time, the Iranian regime, 'We recognize Israel's right to exist. We don't like the state, we don't like what they do, but we recognize Israel has the right to exist as a people,'" Graham said. "If they can't say that, you're never going to get a deal worth a damn. So before you sit down with the Iranians, make them say publicly for the first time, 'Israel has a right to exist,' and they can't say that, that tells you all you need to know about who you're dealing with."

  Graham says Trump told him "it's time to move" on Russia sanctions bill

  Graham: So what does this bill do? If you're buying products from Russia and you're not helping Ukraine, then there's a 500% tariff on your products coming to the United States. India and China buy 70% of Putin's oil. They keep his war machine going. My bill has 84 co-sponsors. It would allow the President to put tariffs on China and India and other countries, to get them — stop them from supporting Putin's war machine, to get him to the table for the first time yesterday, the President told me --

  Karl: You were playing golf with him.

  Graham: Yeah, I was playing golf with him. He says, 'It's time to move, move your bill.' 'There's a waiver in the bill, Mr. President, you're in charge of whether or not it's to be implemented.' But we're going to give President Trump a tool in the toolbox he doesn't have today. After the July break, we're going to pass a bill that would allow the president --

  Karl: And he's going to sign it?

  Graham: Yeah, I think we're in good shape, but he has a waiver. It's up to him how to impose it, but we're trying to get Putin to the table.

  On the Supreme Court decision on injunctions: "Judge-shopping needs to stop."

  Graham: So the ruling was, a single judge cannot stop policy for the entire country -- that's beyond the mandate of a federal district court judge. You still have judicial review, but it has to go up the chain. A single judge can't stop a program for the entire country. And that's a good thing, because people were going judge shopping. The right would go judge --

  Karl: I mean, you were going judge-shopping back in the day.

  Graham: Everybody goes judge-shopping!

  Karl: I'm old enough to remember when you were all in favor of the injunction against DAPA (Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents) under Obama.

  Graham: Totally! I mean -- and I'm here to say, judge-shopping needs to stop. We need to have a system where if you're going to enjoin policy for the nation, it's done at a higher level than a single judge for the left or the right.

  On Trump attacking fellow Republican Sen. Thom Tillis

  Karl: The president went on a tirade against Tillis last night, said he's going to meet with primary challengers, said that he's grandstanding on all of this. What do you make of that? Is it grandstanding?

  Graham: I've been on the receiving end of that (laughs).

  Karl: Yes, you have.

  Graham: He runs hard, and he can forgive. We're trying to do hard things that should be done and have to be done. We're $37 trillion in debt. Medicaid has grown 50% in five years. It's about to take over Medicare. What we've done [in this bill] is limited the growth to 6% for two years, 4% after that, so Medicaid is not cut.

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